Go a little deeper
In this marriage conference breakout, Brandon and Holly Richardson open with a brief personal story of a broken home and loss, then turn to hope: restoration is possible, and choices made now can shape a legacy for children and grandchildren. They ground the session in Jesus as the model servant, pointing to Mark 10:45 and to John 13, where Jesus washes his disciples' feet.
The central message is that a spouse's primary mission is to serve the other's destiny, seeing beyond flaws to the calling God is forming in them. Brandon and Holly warn against taking the potter's place by trying to fix or reshape a spouse, while still encouraging honest, compassionate communication. They acknowledge real friction in marriage, illustrated with light and affectionate examples, and argue that fixating on weaknesses only feeds what grows.
The session offers four tools: forgiveness, acceptance, celebration, and humble prayer. Brandon and Holly tie these to a perspective shift, treating life and marriage as day one so it never grows old. A short Q&A addresses keeping a marriage light in a demanding season and the discipline of leading one's own thoughts, and the session closes by inviting couples to build from completion in Christ and leave a legacy.
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Serve your spouse's destiny
Brandon and Holly root this in Mark 10:45 and John 13, where Jesus serves rather than being served and washes his disciples' feet, patiently loving imperfect disciples to the end. They apply that posture to marriage: see beyond your spouse's present flaws to the calling God is forming in them, and treat the person beside you as your first mission.
You are not the potter
Echoing the session's teaching on Jesus' servanthood in John 13, Brandon and Holly warn that spouses can mistake themselves for the potter and treat their partner as clay to be fixed. Jesus is the author and perfecter of your spouse's faith, so your role is to partner with the Holy Spirit rather than control, while still communicating honestly and with compassion.
What you focus on grows
Brandon and Holly argue that critiquing weaknesses pours energy into what will only grow. Instead they commend celebration: naming aloud what is good in a spouse and building them up with words, since what is put in the light grows. They connect this to Paul's prayer in Ephesians, where he asks that the eyes of the heart be enlightened to see the treasure of the saints.
Forgiveness as the starting and ending point
The first of the four tools is forgiveness, described as both the starting point and the ending point. Brandon and Holly point to Jesus on the cross, rejected and forgiving, as the example, and use the image of a kinked hose that cuts off the flow of love.
Perspective and self-leadership
Brandon and Holly argue that perspective is what distinguishes a leader, and encourage couples to approach marriage with renewed appreciation. They connect this to Romans 12:2 and to the imagery of being seated with Christ, framing the renewal of one's mind as deliberate and daily.
The conversation,
in their words.
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This [clears throat] is so fun. Well, um, part of our story is that, uh, you know, I came from a, uh, home, a very broken home, and, uh, my parents divorced at fifth grade, and I still remember the day that that happened. and I came home from school and mom wasn't there and it was uh from that point on things got really rough in the home and it it started chipping away before that with my parents. Um but it was the fifth grade that that they separated. Um it led to a very dark season in our family of great brokenness and and loss and tragedy until the suicide of my dad in 8th grade. And um
I share that because there's there's hope, there's restoration, and I believe that you are here not just for you, but for generations to come. That's right. That's right. So, you may think this moment and and and just us, but your children and your children's children are going to see the fruit of you here. That's right. and making the decision to believe God for an incredible legacy to to leave. Yep. Um like Mont Christian talked about. Yep. That's right. There's no such thing as a hopeless situation. Just hopeless people. Yeah. And and this little lady is the epitome of that truth. So thank you. Yeah. Yeah.
Sweet. So I always we we seek the Lord on on what we want to share and and take this to great heart um because of we see what the enemy uh can do to a marriage but God and Jesus you know we we talked about he comes to the the enemy comes to steal, kill and destroy but Jesus says I have come to give you life and life more abundantly. So that word abundantly is in Greek is paris which means to have the advantage. Do you want me to say that again? It kind of sounds French actually. [laughter] Um but it means to have the advantage to be overflowing. We have the advantage in Christ. So the enemy tries to do that. He's got us and he has every resource available to us.
Um, so [snorts] today we just want to give you some tools. You know, many of us were given these tool boxes from our environment growing up and they are just a mess. I was doing some work in my daughter's room this uh last week and it was just the perfect illustration. As I'm digging through the drill kit, I I'm I'm digging through the toolbox and it's just like I just need a leveler or I just need, you know, a a regular drill bit and it they're just it's just a mess. Um I mean, I have like a million Allen wrenches. Like how do you get so many Allen wrenches and they're like not even fitting? We we talked about Crescent Allens. Does anyone a Michael Scott fan? Any Crescent Allens? No. No.
Um but we just need the tools. It's like just give me the tool for the job. So, this is what we're going to do today. We're going to give you tools. And please write these down. They will change everything. We are certain. We've gone from a marriage by the grace of God to one that we are expanding and growing and really finding just great joy in the journey. I would say we could tell you our marriage was better than most. Yeah. But better than most is freaking poison. Yeah. Okay. Better than most is poison. And we have an onfire marriage. Yeah. We're not perfect, but our marriage is elite. And it's possible for your marriage to be elite. Yeah. Do you have to believe that? Yeah. Okay. You're in the right room. [laughter] You picked the right breakup. Your choice. All right. The message I wanted to share today was a heart of a servant. And Montan Kristen actually kind of touched on it. And out there I'm like, they're
stealing my message. [laughter] But Brandon assured me. He's like, you're you're coming from a different perspective, but this is the the the message I feel from God for this group today. And the verse comes from Mark 10:45. For even the son of man did not come to be served, but to serve and to give his life as a ransom for many. Jesus is our ultimate example, right? I mean, he he is he is we look to him when we are going through things when we're trying to overcome things like he was he is our example. And at the end of his life in uh the book of John chapter 13, we find Jesus at the end of his life. He knew that crucifixion was was that night. He's having the last supper with
his disciples. And so if you're at the end of your life, you want to give them meat, right? The most important things. So Jesus in chapter 13, he took off his outer garment. He wrapped a towel around his waist and washed his disciples feet. Dirty, nasty, 120 dirty toes. Wash his feet. After completing the washing, Jesus explained the lesson. Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another's feet. I have set you an example that that you should has do as I have done for you. For three years, Jesus was with these disciples.
Imperfect, rough, selfish, foolish, loud, quick to speak, slow to listen, proud, self-promoting, orphan thinking, betraying disciples. He loved them until the end. Mhm. serve them until the end. How did he do it? The Bible says that Jesus was tempted in the same ways that we were that he was fully God and fully man. He could have become really frustrated with them and left him, given up on them. Those sons of Zebedee, they're c trying to call down fire on everybody. like it just looked at the issues that they had.
He could have only seen their flaws, but he didn't. He didn't. Why? How did he stick with them until the very end? I believe it was because he was a servant. He was a servant and he saw their destinies. He saw beyond the moment the frustrations, the issues, the flaws and he had the heart of the mission which brought him joy knowing these disciples would one day take the good news to all of the world and change everything. Right? We're here today because of those disciples taking the good news. So he was serving their destiny. He saw beyond the present in our culture. It's kind of all about
me. Look at me. Listen to me. Right. And sometimes we can get really self-centered, right? Sometimes we forget that we're on a mission right now, just like Jesus. And do you know your number one mission is that person sitting next to you? Your number one mission is to serve your spouse's destiny. Number one, this union, this marriage is sacred. Sacred. The intimacy, the vulnerability that can happen here is like is like no other relationship. Yeah.
This is truly an honor to serve this person next to you, their their destiny. You see them like no one else can or should. All right. And no one knows it better than you. Amen. Can I get a name? [laughter] You see them at their best. You see them at their worst. Yeah. You see them when they're weary and weak. He's he's like my number one counselor at the end of the night. [laughter] Your process [gasps] like, "Okay, honey. Honey, it's going to be okay. I think we just need to go to sleep. Okay. [gasps] You see the ache in your man's heart to be a person of purpose. This is a sacred mission.
No one No one can build you up or tear you down like your spouse. Women, we like to fix things, right? We am I the only one? Like we see an issue and we're like, "We're gonna take care of this." I like literally want You're just go for it. Do it. Just do it. [laughter] Perfect example. We're going to use this. We're going to use this. No, we want to fix. We want We want it and and we want it kind of done right away, right? I mean, maybe some men are like this. You probably are, too. It's not a bad thing. However, however, I want to remind you that you are not the potter.
You are not the potter and your spouse is not your clay. The Lord is the Lord is the potter. Jesus is the author and perfector of your spouse's faith. Amen. They're the one at work. He's the one who who sees the beginning from the end. However, we get to as a spouse participate in that work. Amen. We get to by the power of the Holy Spirit build them up and see God's destiny in them, see the end. Montel and Kristen talked a little bit about that. She was calling forth what was in him be and it was supernatural. It was supernatural. It
wasn't with the eyes of the flesh. It was the eyes of the spirit that saw his destiny. You get to praise them for all the amazing ways that they show up. You get to serve them. And men, too. You can never tell your wife enough how beautiful they are, how amazing they are. You can't do it enough. Brand is so good at this. It's like makes me feel so pretty. Thank you. So beautiful. Tell her all day, every day. Find the acts of service that that they or the the quality time, those love languages. And listen, and I'm going to tell you guys, write this one down. Four best words in marriage, men. How can I help?
Right? Four words change everything. It's the having the heart of a servant. The danger comes when we begin to create critique our spouse's weaknesses. Okay. Okay. We forget how powerful our words are said and unsaid. And instead of prayer and serving, we put oursel in the place of the potter and the author of their faith. Then we place our expectations and our timelines on them. Right? When we do that, when we focus on what's not changing and critiquing their behavior, you're putting you're literally putting your energy towards that and it's only going to grow. What you put in the light will grow.
What you put in the light will grow. Yeah. So, stop giving all your attention to the issues. Okay. What are what are some of my issues? Oh, where? Let's [clears throat] go there. Oh, let's go there. Jesse's like, [laughter] tell me. This is off the cuff. I hadn't met, but I want to I want I want to It's perfect, right? No, it's good. [laughter] No, I tell you what, there um we have had things that we have had to just that I've had to surrender. Yeah. So, our brains are so different. this musician man, pastor, worship leader, Brandon, squirrel, squirrel, squirrel where I'm like, planner, let's do this. You don't even know how
many planners I've bought. This man, never went to use, but he is doing amazing, right? Like he his mind, how it works is so differently than mine. And I um for example, we could talk about how like we've we've talked about this, how I oversee the house. I see the details in things and and I like to keep order and structure, which is very good things. Then you marry someone who is is thinks differently, processes differently, may not see what you see, right? Um, and so we've talked about like order of things. We've talked about clothes. We've talked about, you know, the clothes is a [laughter] big one. Why are your clothes
on lying on the treadmill? Why are your clothes [laughter] just lying on the floor in the closet? Why can't you pick them? For sure. Yeah. Yeah. You're still married to me. I am 20 years. And I love you. He's like, I still do. And so this this should inspire your faith. And he still does. There's still clothes on the floor, but [laughter] we're But guess what? I have my things, too. Believe me. What? What's your It's your turn. [laughter] Keep Keep going. You stinker. No, you're perfect, mama. Stop it. I'm not. I'm not. But, um, we're in the process. Yeah. Holy Spirit really wants to show you the completion. The enemy wants you focused on the problem. So, I could continue to mole over how disrespectful this is. And I also, by the way, the women we talked about how like my love language is acts of service. Have you heard the five love languages? Look it up.
Five love lang. So I'm like acts of service. I'm doing all these things for you, for this house, keeping order, cleaning. And so that could be an offense towards me or it could be an opportunity for me to serve and go low and expand with the love of Christ. And that's that's part of serving. You know, sometimes we can forget that our spouse is an absolute miracle. A treasure. Yeah. A treasure worth Christ dying for. That human, he died for him. He is an absolute treasure. And it is an honor to go low and serve his destiny. Not to see his weaknesses as something that I get to point out and take offense over, but maybe he needs my help. like a heart of
compassion that maybe this is an opportunity for me to strengthen and build him up so that he can function in his best role. I'm not saying we don't communicate, right? We can communicate these things. Cool, calm, collected. Communicate with compassion, right? I tell that to the kids. Give me five kids. Give me five. Cool, calm, and collected. Um but we can't also place our expectation and timeline on that person that's in the in the hands of the Lord. And then the question is but what if they never change? What if after you have communicated and you've prayed and all these what if they never change?
What if you were called to serve their weaknesses and humble yourself to see how God sees them? To love them as they are and trust the potter. Knows he knows the time and the place for all things that you can pray over those weakness and continue to ask God to remind you, remind you of the mission. This is a sacred mission. This is number one. and to ask for his heart for your spouse. That's a powerful prayer. Yeah, that's good. And the anointing of the Holy Spirit, the power to work in their heart and yours. Number one, and the eyes to see the treasures. Yeah.
What if you were the very strength that God sent into their life? the very strength that God sent into their life to help them overcome, to build them up, to believe in them, to cheer them on, but you got too clouded and your heart got too hard with the issues, nitpicking, seeing those things that are all wrong, but look at all the things that are all right. So, I came up with with these four power tools. Okay. And you know, it's so funny. I love acronyms. Does anybody else love acriman? Like the queen of Okay. Okay. I have some acronym gals in the room. So, I love acronyms. So, after I wrote this
out, I'm like, "Oh, I wonder if this is like an acronym. These four things." And it's f a c fetch. [laughter] And I looked it up. I was like, "Is that a word?" And it's actually a word, but it's actually a German word. And it's not cha, it's [laughter] So, we have some tools. [laughter] Oh, you'll never forget these tools. This is being recorded, just so you know. [laughter] I'm not cussing, I promise. is borderline, but and it actually means a a subject to study. A subject. So, we're going to think about that as like a we're studying our marriage, our toolbox. Okay, I'm tracking.
All right, I'm done saying that word. [laughter] Okay, so f forgiveness. Okay, we all know the power of forgiveness. You know, Jesus knew it too. Even to the end, the very end on the cross being crucified. He had been whipped, beaten, betrayed, spit on, uh stripped of his clothes, mocked, [snorts] and he was forgiven. He was rejected, and he was forgiving. He's our example. Yeah. This is the starting point and the ending point. Mhm. You know, unforgiveness can be like a kink in a hose. was trying to wash a car the other day. It's you don't have the flow is not there.
That flow of love. So working tending the garden of your heart. It's just so powerful. Imagine your heart like a garden. Yeah. And ask the Holy Spirit for help. That's a tough one. That's a tough one because we've been wounded in deep, deep ways. But remember, nothing is impossible. And I believe that word Kristen gave this morning about restoration, that's yours. That's yours. And it's going to begin with forgiveness. That's good. A acceptance. Acceptance. Removing expectations. Not out of I'm giving up. They're never going to change. No, we communicate our hopes, but acceptance in that I will love this person. right here, right now, in front
of me, because I'm also a person on the journey that needs that unconditional love. Yeah, it's good. Oh, and by the way, it's time to remove yourself from relationships outside of your marriage that are constantly criticizing their spouses. I'm I'm not kidding you. That has to be a priority. If you're if you're in a community of women or men that demean their spouse and just see all the negative that will affect you. Yeah. So get and create friendships. They're out there. There's there's friendships that are going to help build you up and help you believe for uh health in your marriage.
That's right. Yeah. You become the what's the product of those five people you're with? What's that statement? there. That's it. Hang out with five idiots. [laughter] What's the average of five? Yeah. Yeah. No, there's there's two. It's good. But acceptance. So, forgiveness, acceptance, and then celebration. This is a this is a powerful one. And this is a really powerful for men, I believe, and you can speak to this about respecting and honoring and celebrating with your words. So, we can, like I said, what you put in the light grows. So, but if you begin to celebrate all the amazing ways that person shows up in your life, yeah, you know, start if it's so hard, just start with how they brush their teeth.
Oh, God. Thank you that they brush [laughter] thank you that they go to work. Thank you, God. You know, begin to celebrate and like Kristen was saying, uh, call forth that destiny. Thank you for showing up. Thank you that you're an amazing dad. Thank you that you're an amazing husband that we are married today and all the amazing find them and ask the Holy Spirit. There's a scripture when Paul was writing to the Ephesians and he prayed that the eyes of their understanding that their heart would be enlightened and there were three ways that they were enlightened and the second one to see the treasures of the saints around you. Yeah, that person next to you is a saint. Yeah, you write this. Who's is everybody taking notes? Write write this down.
The difference between a leader and everyone else is perspective. That's good. Treat everything in your life like it's day one and it will never get old. We're talking about celebration. Treat everything like it's the beginning and there will never be an end. M most marriages it's death by a thousand paper cuts because we stop celebrating. Yeah. It's perspective [clears throat] like that could change your life. Treat everything like it's going. It's huge. It's huge. That has changed in for our marriage too. These are for sure. I I would say that's been the big perspective perspective. How we see God, how we see each other.
Um that that's been a catalytic shift for us over the last four years. Yeah. But it takes intentionality. Yeah. It's it's perspective. Treat everything in your life like it's day one and it'll never get old. It's fun. Spec specifically our marriages. Remember what it was like when you guys first got together? So fun. How about like the day before your wedding? Like all you can think about the way that you talk to your spouse. Yeah. this endearment and then all of a sudden we just start to get overfamiliar with each other. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm telling you today, that's why Kristen, I say the same thing. This is the play.
What she's giving you right now, this is the play. All you have to do is run the play. Run the play. Which means this is this is self leadership. Yeah. Is it her responsibility for me to treat everything in my life like it's day one? Mm- Whose responsibility is it? Right. Yeah. Leadership is self leadership. Men, if you don't lead yourself well, do you think your wife's going to want to be led by you? Yeah. If you don't lead yourself well, do you think she's going to remain attracted to you? Treat her like you did day one, and you will have an onfire marriage. Yeah. We're not We're not perfect. We're We're not perfect. [laughter] But I would not trade our marriage for any marriage on the planet.
Good. That's good news. We're making it to that 20 year mark, baby. [laughter] Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. No, that's powerful. That's That's so good. That's so good. that we had so much shift and just like man you you leading yourself and it's just that it it brings a respect from to you and then how you're leading our home with decisiveness and shephering and encouraging and when you're leading yourself it inspires me to come up as well in my leadership roles as well and it just it feels safe. Yeah. That you're doing that. It feels really safe. So the final of our toolkit, okay, give it to us. H is humble prayers.
Humble [snorts] prayers. This is asking for God's heart. We have a lot of those complaining prayers. Look at them. Change him. Change her. She's doing them. or no prayers at all. But a humble prayer asks for God's heart for that person. [clears throat] God, how are you seeing them? How are you seeing me? I ask for the Holy Spirit, the anointing of the Holy Spirit. Jesus, you know, fulfill the prophecy. It was talking about in in the book of Luke that the spirit of the Lord is upon me to proclaim good news to to bring freedom to the captives.
Yeah. And we have this gift, the dunamis power of the Holy Spirit. Yes. Uh with us that we can have to open our hearts to see this treasure next to us. Yeah. and to serve their destiny. And just to circle back to what Christ set as an example, that he came to serve and give his life. Not because they were perfect, not because they had it figured out, because he loved them. He loved them. He saw their destiny. He saw their purpose. He saw beyond. Yeah. And we can have that heart of a humble servant.
And through those prayers, man, things will shift in your heart first, in your own heart first, and then we'll start seeing incredible fruit and a united marriage. That's good. Yeah. Prayer prayer is like a great detergent. You can't you can't gossip about somebody that you pray for. You can't complain about somebody that you pray for. Like prayer is it's powerful. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For for us. Obviously, we're pray we're praying and God like shows up and intervenes. Mhm. But it's powerful for our own interior space. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. And there's always hope. There's always hope. There's always hope. Say that. There's always hope. There's always hope. There's no hopeless
situation. And we serve an amazing God that's going to bless you and generations to come. Amen. Yeah. Amen. That's a that's a great nugget or two. Four actually. Four. Four. Fatch tools. [laughter] [gasps] We should start a company called Fatchch tools. Okay. [laughter] Allen. There you go. Thank you. Oh, Alanes. Let's open up. We have some we have some time for a Q&A if you want to jump into some questions. Yeah. And some potential answers might but I I just just to put a bow on everything that she just communicated because it's so powerful.
Again, it's it's perspective and it's so important that we're feeding on this even postconference. Yeah. Or else it just disappears into the ether and it really doesn't matter. Yeah. So, this is something we feed on daily. Would you agree? Yeah, 100%. Part of our We have a mission statement as a couple and it's constantly growing together. I'm not just doing my thing. She's not just doing her thing. We're growing together. And when we're on the same frequency of thought, there's an attraction there that does not fade, right? After almost 20 years of of of marriage. Yeah. So, perspective in the way that we think is so important. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What do you guys practice to keep your marriage light? Light. Light. Like fun. Yeah. Like we've got a bunch of kids.
Oh, yes. A big age range. Just a lot of burden, a lot of stress. It's hard to put in more effort to figure out how to make things light. Yeah. And then just much less enjoy that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You have six kids, right? That's what we said. They're amazing. [applause] Let's just pop for them. They They're here. It's a big deal. And there you go. Oh, you're keeping it light right there. There you go. Um, The Office. We watch The Office. [laughter] It's It's funny, but it's No, another one fell. [laughter] It doesn't matter. Leave it. We We learned a long time ago that at the end of our day, because we have four kids, we got to laugh. So, we throw on something that's just And we might not even be watching it, but we're talking and we're laughing the last, you know, 60 minutes, 30 minutes before bed. So I wouldn't I wouldn't
give that like our weighty revelation to that question. [laughter] But yes, we do watch an episode of the take breaks. Now I you're in this season of just like pouring out and pouring out and it's just it's just a reality of a very sacrificial season. And so I I believe that the little things the the mindset ultimately in how um we view the season. Yeah. is going he talked about perspective is going to make a difference for sure that we all get tired and we're all like just going to bed. [laughter] Yeah, I got your water. I talked to you know all the things. I'd say practically [laughter] for me as the husband exercise is so important. The oxytocin the chemicals that are released because life is hard. Um but that helps and then yeah mindset.
Mind your mindset is everything. How you think is how your life goes. So with your kids, it has to be a I get to sometimes every five minutes to recalibrate. Yes. My God, I get to I get to [laughter] do more conf. But it's crazy. The the church is awakening to this. You can go to a Tony Robbins event sometimes and get more information than the church is giving us as to how we think. I'm serious. But the church is awakening to this this Romans 12:2 thing. And so I think just leading your mind and your mind not leading you because we tend to want to go to I wake up and oh my gosh I got to do A B C D F and G and this one's doing this and this kid's doing this and versus my gosh I'm as righteous as Jesus and I get to D and it's state. It's state. It's perspective.
Yeah. Something that has helped me that it along that line is I walk around and I'm just like I'm I am the richest woman in the world. Like I am confessing that I am the richest god. If if we had a secret camera [laughter] in our house, they would think we're crazy because we're we're always talking to ourselves this way, which is crazy, but I think it's stupid to talk to yourselves the way that most people talk to themselves. And we used to do that. I used to so hard. I'm such an idiot. I'm overweight. I'm bad, mom. I'm the worst. I'm the No, I'm my literally It's all coming down. The tree of life. It's the fruit. It's the fruit [laughter] calling. But this is this is where two are better than one. Yeah. If a husband and a wife, if your thing is we're constantly growing together. Yes.
I'm not just the one. We're both thinking this way at an elevated level of thought. If I'm seated with him in heavenly places, why would I think like I'm hanging out in sh all the time? Yeah. Come on. Like it doesn't make any sense. So, we talk to each other this way. We're crazy people. Like, I'll be coming out of the bathroom. I'm as righteous as God and it feels so good. I'm gonna elite D. Like I'm a silly. We're silly people, but there's fruit. Yeah, there's fruit. And we don't hate each other and I'm still chasing her around the house 20 years later. [laughter] Like I I So that that's those are just like some practical things that we do to make sure that we're not in this fight. Yeah. Not a not a depressed state. Yeah. But again, better than most is poison. I don't want to just get through life. Yeah.
We're called Romans 5:17. We're called to rule and reign in life. And if you reign here, you reign everywhere. Yeah. Your circumstances don't define what's going on in your interior world. Yeah. That's so good. Yeah. You stirred me up all over again. Question also from a logistical standpoint because this is being filmed. We'll just say the questions in here. Oh, I forgot to repeat. question was, "How do we keep our marriage light?" How do you keep your marriage light? Can you edit that in? Oh, and also, you're not crazy. You're a kingdom. You're a kingom. I love that. Any other questions? Questions? There's got to be some Broly here is a wealth of information.
I like that. I got most of the letters in that name. Olly, he just got the B and the R. Braley. Yeah. Yeah. Don't you want to know what my imperfections were? Like we're still like that's left undone. No. You know, no. [clears throat] [laughter] I care too much. I No. If you're taking notes, write this down. Especially my guys. Listen. Chase the man, not the money. And I'm not talking about Jesus. I'm talking about the man that you're supposed to become. Because if you're obsessed with that, you're not worried about her imperfections. If you're chasing the man that you're supposed to be, chase the man, not the money, chase the man, not the work, chase who you're supposed to become, and you're leading yourself well at an elite
clip, you don't have time to worry about what she's doing or not doing that's bugging you. Does that make sense? Mhm. So, for me, I I mean, I I being I don't want to sound like over overly sweet, you You know, I don't want to come across as if we're but I don't there's nothing about her that drives me crazy. Like she's my best friend. My wife is my best friend. My wife is she is she is everything. And once I started leading me well, our marriage shifted. Would you agree? 100%. That's when our marriage really shifted. Yeah. When I realized I'm the problem, but I'm also the answer to my prayers. I'm the problem, but I'm also the freaking solution, guys. Yeah.
And if we think that way, it's game over. Yeah. Yeah. It's game over. Yeah. Brandon, can I just ask that you even just share the same challenge that you shared with staff on like your 25 times a day challenge or whatever of like 25 times a day you tell yourself. Yeah. No, just who who you are. It's it's it's setting your mind. It's recalibrating your mind. So, what I can't even remember. What did I say? Um it was the just as simple as just starting point. I am and it feels so good. The righteousness of God. I am a child of God. Or even men if you were to start I am an elite husband. Yeah. And it feels so good. And it feels so good because you're rewiring. There's physiology that there's so much science behind this. It's not some weird pseudo.
If you begin to talk to yourself that way, you're literally rewiring neuropathways in your brain. Yeah. to where eventually you begin to believe it. Yeah. You are what you tell yourself. Yeah. As a man thinkketh in his own heart, so is he. Yeah. For sure. But the science now, neuroplasticity is crazy. Like if you start to That's why I love her speaking life over me. But really, if I'm speaking life and rewiring my brain and my subconscious all of a sudden, I go from living down here to actually coming into what I'm declaring about myself and not self-sabotaging anymore. Yeah. which which men do all the time, right? Yeah. So, I want to say at the end, since we're at the end here, we're going to close out. Um this morning, as I was uh just preparing my heart in Colossians 2:10, it says that we are complete in Christ.
We are complete. We are complete. So, we get to now create a marriage from a place of completion in Christ. Listen, this is so good, you guys. This will change your life if you if you creating from completion, not brokenness. So in Christ is the fullness of God. We are in him. Brandon talked about being seated in heavenly places with Christ Jesus. That we are seated at a table with him with every resource available and we were created in the image of a creator. And so we get to create a marriage right here, right now, moving forward from completion. Yeah. And that's fun. That's fun. Yeah.
That we get to create and dream with God for our future for our kids. Amen. From the place of there's no limits. The abundant life is overflowing for you. Everything is available for you. to have that incredible onfire marriage that leaves a legacy.
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Serving the person next to you
Brandon and Holly turn repeatedly to Jesus' example of servanthood, especially the foot washing in John 13. They ask each participant to see their spouse's destiny rather than only their present flaws, and they do not set that alongside silence about real problems but alongside honest, compassionate communication.
Mark 10:45 · John 13
- What would it look like to treat your spouse's destiny as the mission Jesus modeled in serving his disciples?
- Where might you have confused serving your spouse with trying to manage or fix them?
- How does the picture of Jesus washing dirty feet change how you view an unglamorous act of care?
Living as a spouse, not the potter
Brandon and Holly picture God as the potter and warn against treating a spouse as clay to be reshaped. Critiquing weaknesses is described as turning energy toward what will grow, while the healthier path is communication with compassion, trust in God's timing, and patience with the person in front of you.
John 13
- Where might you have placed your own expectations or timelines on your spouse instead of trusting God's timing?
- What would it mean to trust God as the potter while still naming a real concern honestly?
- How can you tell the difference between communication with compassion and critique aimed at control?
Forgiveness at the cross
Forgiveness is presented as the first of four tools and described as both a starting point and an ending point. Brandon and Holly point to Jesus on the cross, rejected and forgiving, as the example for couples, and describe unforgiveness as a kink in a hose that blocks the flow of love.
Luke 23 (Jesus forgiving at the cross)
- How does Jesus' posture of forgiveness at the cross shape the way you think about offenses in your marriage?
- Where might unforgiveness be acting like a kink in the hose, cutting off the flow of love?
- What does it mean that forgiveness is described as both the starting point and the ending point?
Celebration and words that build
The session claims what is put in the light grows, and connects celebration to the gift of words, even suggesting small gratitude as a starting point. Brandon and Holly link overfamiliarity with the slow erosion of delight, arguing that perspective keeps a marriage from going stale; Paul's prayer in Ephesians for enlightened hearts frames seeing the treasure in others.
Ephesians 1:18
- When did you last tell your spouse specifically what you admire about them?
- What good qualities in your spouse could you name aloud more often?
- How would treating an ordinary day as day one change the way you speak to each other?
Humble prayer and a renewed mind
Humble prayer asks for God's heart for the other person instead of asking for them to be changed. The Q&A extends this into the practice of calibrating one's own thoughts, citing Romans 12:2, and the session closes with building a marriage from completion in Christ rather than from brokenness.
Romans 12:2 · Colossians 2:10
- What would change if your prayer for your spouse asked God for his heart for them rather than for them to be fixed?
- Which self-talk patterns do you most want to replace with the truth of who you are in Christ?
- How does the teaching on Romans 12:2 shape the way you approach your own thoughts?
Answers from this recording
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Why does the session return to the idea of creating from completion rather than brokenness?+
Near the close, Brandon and Holly connect the whole message to Colossians 2:10, where Paul says believers are complete in Christ. Marriage, in this framing, is something a couple builds from that place of completion rather than from brokenness. They link that to being seated with Christ and having every resource available, so couples can dream with God about their future and the legacy they leave for their children.
What scriptural example does the session hold up for serving a spouse?+
Brandon and Holly point to Mark 10:45, where Jesus presents his mission as serving others rather than receiving service, and to John 13, where Jesus washes his disciples' feet and tells them he has set an example. They apply that pattern to marriage: because you see your spouse at their best and worst, you can serve their destiny and call out what God is doing in them, rather than taking the potter's place and trying to reshape them.
What is forgiveness grounded in, according to this session?+
Forgiveness is described as the first of the four tools and as both the starting point and the ending point. Brandon and Holly point to Jesus on the cross, rejected and forgiving, as the example for couples, and describe unforgiveness as a kink in a hose that blocks the flow of love.
How does the session describe humble prayer?+
Humble prayer asks for God's heart for the other person rather than a list of changes to them. Brandon and Holly contrast it with complaining prayers or no prayer at all, and they connect it to asking for the anointing of the Holy Spirit and to Jesus' words in Luke about the Spirit of the Lord bringing good news and freedom. They describe prayer as powerful both for circumstances and for a person's own interior life.



