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On a Monday recording described as a "holy hangover" day, Keith and Kara of Confessions of a Pastor reflect on a season they believe is moving from "rumblings" to glimpses of revival at Journey Church in Bend. The confession driving the episode: they prayed for revival without fully counting its cost. They describe a week when much of the staff was sick, Pursuit Night worship had to be led by people under the weather, and distractions seemed to multiply. Their claim, drawing on Nehemiah and on Jesus' temptation in Matthew 4, is that when God moves, things often get harder rather than easier.
The conversation turns to what sustains leaders and churches through that opposition. Kara names pain tolerance as essential to church planting and pastoring, and both revisit the question "Is it worth it?"—answered with a qualified yes and the counter-question "what else?" They describe Pursuit Night, where a leader used the image of an olive: the oil is already inside, but only crushing releases it. They connect that image to Romans 5 and to Zechariah 4's lampstand and olive trees, with Keith reading the oil as the Holy Spirit and the two trees as kings and priests pointing to Jesus.
The final stretch is practical and pastoral. Asked how someone can pursue more of the Spirit, Keith centers on persistent, childlike prayer, and on removing blockages—unforgiveness chief among them, described as clogged pipes, alongside sin and strongholds. Keith and Kara reflect on Elijah's mountaintop and subsequent depression, insisting that even anointed people can feel exhausted and want to quit. They close with a word from Kara about unlearning assumptions about church, and with a prayer over Central Oregon, Oregon, and the nation, asking God to move again.
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This is Confessions of a Pastor, a relentlessly real peak behind the scenes of Journey [music] Church in Bend, Oregon. From church in a strip club to a strip mall, going where Jesus would go to reach people Jesus would reach. This is the good, the bad, and the ugly. All for the glory of God. A journey of misery and miracles. We are your hosts and the founders of Journey Church in Ben. I'm Pastor Keith. And I'm Pastor Kara. [music] Come on. There really is hope for everyone. It's time Kara for Confessions of a Pastor. It's Monday as we're recording this. Holy hangover day, somebody. Yes, it is. Yeah, that's that's when we are exhausted from what God is doing. But I'll tell you, can I just start off right off the front today? Can we start off with a confession, [snorts] please?
We've been asking for revival, and I believe we're actually getting really great glimpses. I I told you last week that we used to say we're feeling the rumblings of revival. I don't think it's rumblings anymore. We are getting glimpses of a great revival. But here's the confession. I'm not sure we actually count the the cost. Oh, of what it actually takes for revival of what revival actually is. I mean, you pray for something, you you prophesy it, you want it, but do we actually know what it's actually going to look like? Do do we know the cost of of what we're going to experience? Do you know what I'm saying? No, I No, I don't think we do. No, you don't think we know the cost. Not You don't know what I'm saying.
No, sorry. I don't think that we know the cost. I I I think we can try and understand the cost because I think in any anytime you take ground for um the kingdom, there's always opposition. Always. But it's it's hard to predict how much opposition is going to come. And it typically comes at you at times you're not expecting and by people that you're not expecting. So I mean but definitely we can just say generally speaking we know there is a cost. So let's look at this because what God's doing at Journey right now is by far the most exciting I've I've ever been being the lead pastor of Journey Church. I love what God's doing. I love our team unified. I love just the experiences, the encounters. And we can talk about some of those today. Pursuit night this past Thursday, Sunday, yesterday. I mean, phenomenal the stories that are coming out of real people. It's it's awesome. I mean, this seems like the the
worship has a different anointing. Uh it's not that it's better or different. It's just like there's there's oil on it. And we'll talk about the oil too today, but it just even the messages, the receptivity, just all those things. So if we talk about all those things, it appears and I know we know this is true, but when you ask for something, I don't think you always think holistically about this, but when God is moving, things don't get easier, they actually get harder. Yes, for sure. So, so there's seems to be this formula that we could probably look back at biblical historical context and say when there's a move of God in your life individually, in your family or corporately through God's people, y there typically comes some type of, as you already mentioned, opposition, hardship, and so forth.
Yeah. I mean, let's talk about some examples in scripture. Yeah. Well, even before we go to the biblical examples, even just this past week or two at Journey, we had the plague go through our whole staff team. We did. Everyone got sick. And it really wasn't the plague like we weren't throwing up or in curls or, you know, like the fetal position. Um, but there had to have been dozens of people sick at our church. Yeah, for sure. I mean, on staff alone. Yeah. Threearters of the staff was out last week. Uh, I mean, and then of of course, you know, we're canceling this, that, and the other because, uh, everyone I mean, I think it was just probably the common cold, but I'm like, what a terrible way to start the summer. Yeah. Right. Uh, to me, like having a cold in the in the summer is just is everything about it is wrong.
[laughter] I mean, it's normal, though. No, it's it's it's not normal. Um, I mean, it's really not. [laughter] I mean, I I've got visuals in my head, but it's it's it's just like when you see somebody wear something they shouldn't be wearing and you're thinking that's not okay. You're doing it, but it's not okay. And that's how you feel about this. That's how I feel about this. Okay. I mean, okay. But we all got the cold, which is weird because you really didn't get it too bad. Well, I I was I was coming down with it last Thursday and I left partway through the day and slept and But y'all prayed for me. I didn't come to Thursday night pursuit night. Heard it was amazing, but there was some intercession for me. So, I can't help but say that's not a coincidence. Yeah. So, sickness, uh, I mean, all kinds of spiritual warfare. I mean, there's there's there's always going to be
something. I mean, probably one of the biggest things I would say when it comes to when God is advancing and there's hardship, one of the great things I would always be aware of if if someone wants to know like is is it is it the enemy or what is it? Is it's just distraction. Yeah, the enemy is really clever with distraction. That could be sickness, it could be the enemy, uh it could be criticism, it could be lies in your own heads, it could be relationship problems, could be family issues. I mean, distractions will detour you from the revival that's already happening. So, you you said, "Let's go there with some examples." I would love to. Um I mean, I think there are so many. We can go Old Testament and New Testament here because I think it's just it's such a clear biblical um example of when you advance, the enemy doesn't like it, so he has to go after you. Um let's look at Nehemiah.
Nehemiah is sent from uh Persia to back to Jerusalem to help rebuild the wall to to fortify some security to to reestablish some health with the city with God's people, right? God is like showing up. I mean, I I love Nehemiah for a lot of reasons. Let me let me just go there for just a moment. Nehemiah, he prays uh a short, powerful, bold prayer. I'm like, where am I going? It's Monday morning hangover. [laughter] I'm just like I'm flipping through this like I don't know where I'm going. There it is. Um um so Nehemiah in chapter 1, he just prays a a real quick prayer, you know,
when he comes before the king wanting to um get the resources and the permission to go. Then the king said to me,"What are you requesting?" So I prayed to the God of heaven and I said to the king, "If it pleases the king, if your ser servant has found favor in your sight that you send me to Judah." So I just note here that it's just such a short verse. So I prayed to the God of heaven. So he prays. God is moving. God answers the prayer. The king says, "Yep, you can go. I'll give you the resources. You got it." Nehemiah gets to come back. I mean, so let's just God's moving. God's answering prayers. God's going to provide for his people. There's going to be protection in this place. He gets back and the people are rallied up and they're starting to build the wall and what happens? Some critics come.
Yeah. Hey, Nehemiah. Yeah. Come down off the wall. Yep. Let's just talk today. Yeah. You know, I I love Nehemiah and his his focus. And if we were to take the same focus and put it on revival in our day, it's like I'm too busy to come down doing God's work to come down. Yeah. But you still got to keep one hand on the tri that is the work of God, one hand on the sword. Yes. You know, you got to realize this this is a spiritual war. You know, I think that the lessons of Nehemiah would be a perfect example. And it wasn't just one time. It was consistent. They sent letters back to Persia. They I mean, there was just there was lies. There was gossip. There was, you know, uh um there was just distraction, right? And there's nothing new. I mean, it's the same stuff that we're still dealing with, right? Right. All glory to God though. The wall got built.
Amen. Let's go New Testament. Probably one of the best examples I can think of. Jesus. I mean, he constantly had issues. And you you think about uh Matthew uh when Jesus gets baptized chapter 4 and says he was led by the spirit into the wilderness. Led by God himself, the Holy Spirit leads the son. Yes. To the wilderness. Now, now there you think like, hey, revival, you know, Jesus going to spend time with the father, the holy ghost, the son of God. Everything's what could go wrong except for Satan. Come on, somebody. Temptations three times over. So, if if we feel like we're ever the only ones tempted, and how many times do we get tempted? I mean, God's doing a mighty move and all of a sudden there's temptations for one thing or another.
Temptations for discouragement, temptations to go back to the flesh, temptations to run, temptation, you know, you just you just I'm I'm just naming our temptations. I don't know what anybody else going to struggle with, but it's confessions of a pastor. So, confession time when God moves, the enemy's got to step into that movement and try to distract. Yeah. And it'll come in many different forms. It's so true. I mean, we were talking last night just even about just in my own reflection. I've in my own reflection of where we're at and life and all that, you know, I'm I've been now here at on staff at the church for I don't know, a year and a half, two years now. And um asking you essentially like I can't believe you've made it this long, you know, like I mean it's no joke. Um,
and the the opposition I think is a big part of what I I think where my heart was at was it's like you make two steps forward, one step back. Two steps forward, one step [clears throat] back. And just the fact after a few thousand steps though, people say, [gasps] "How'd you get here? This is, [laughter] wow, you must have something special." You know, it's like, "Ah, y'all didn't see the steps back." Right? So, a couple things I would say. Number one is like I mean the fact that you know we're at the place we're at and you're still around and leading it like you that's a lot of endurance that you've pushed through a lot of hard that um that you've pushed through to even get the church to the place where it's at. Um which is just a test a testament to your leadership. Um because it's not, you know, now that I've been around at
it in the nitty-gritty Yeah. areas, it's seeing um how hard it is to lead and Yeah. Um so anyway, you've done a good job. That's kind Thank you. I'm going to record this and [laughter] splice it, dice it, put this on my phone on repeat, right? So, thank you. Um yeah, but it's I mean this and this was the other thing I was going to say was we were having a conversation [snorts] um with our family with you know our son-in-law um last week and for some reason we got on the on the topic of leading and church planting and all that and my what I told him was like in order to be a church planter and maybe a leader too but or a pastor in general but definitely a church planter you have to have two things. You have to have a really you know anointed dynamic leader. You got have oil which we've talked about or or sorry we will get to but um but you also have to have someone with a a
pain tolerance level um because there like I know you know the old saying about leadership is you only raise to the level of leadership of that your pain tolerance is so you have to have a significant amount of pain tolerance for the things that we're talking about in order to persevere or else it takes you out. Yeah. What's that book by Sam Chand? Is it called pain? It's leadership pain. Leadership pain. Yeah. Thank you, Hannah. Yeah, I haven't read it, but the concept Sam Ch. Well, it's actually really simple. It's based on that principle. Yeah. And each chapter, he gives an example right at the offset of uh leaders, mostly pastors, but actually there variety of different leaders who have you think you've gone through something until you read someone else's story and you're like, whoa, [snorts] I have not. Like I I think there was one example right at the beginning of the book. It's been a long time since I read the book, but I think it was in South
Africa where the pastor gets kidnapped, you know, his family at gunpoint. I mean, horrible stuff. I mean, just and and because of ministry and things like that, I'm like, "Oh, wait. When I align my problems and compare them to others, you know, I was like, yeah, they're full of problems, but it's like to what extent to uh Yeah. Are you going to run from this? Are you going to give up?" Yeah. I mean, you had asked me a question last night, Kara, that I think is just a a really good question. How how did you word it? Um, which one? [laughter] Uh, oh, I know exactly how you worded it. Uh, it's I mean, this is Confessions of a Pastor. So, to all 12 of you who listen to this, uh, [laughter] just kidding. To to the many that listen, we're actually very blessed and grateful. But you you asked me this question. Is it worth it?
That's what you asked cuz cuz we've been through a lot and and I think you know in context of that question is it worth it and we're talking about pastoring and uh specifically Journey Church in Bend, Oregon at this time and this season all is is it worth it? What what that means in the lawyer language is relationships that come in and out of your life. people you pour into that will betray you or you know you make a mistake and there's no grace for you even though you've extended grace to others you know because we do we're human we make mistakes and um just is it worth it I mean the the microscope the the all those the all those things that come with it I mean you asked that question right and it was it was a good healthy conversation yeah what what was the answer was it a yes or no it was yes well and It wasn't a quick yes. My my
answer to that question was, well, what what else? So, the it was really more of a provoking question to be the answer. What else could be worth it more? Well, nothing. Yeah, exactly. What else could we be doing with our time, our talents, our experiences, what we've already invested in? What else could we be doing that would be more fulfilling in terms of God's calling equipping? I mean, we even talked about like for the two of us, like money is not an issue. Like I mean, if if we got paid $20 million to go do something else, would that be worth it? Well, probably not cuz money doesn't ever satisfy you. Yeah. There's a lot of people with a lot of money that are absolutely more miserable. even Christians, and we talked about that. There's people I
looked up to who have money, who are more mature in age, and I think, wow, I think they have it more figured out than I do, and then you realize, oh, you're flawed. You're just a human. You're not spiritually mature. You're not led by the spirit or whatever the case might be. And so the question, the answer to that question as you've already articulated in short is yes, but it's got to be dissected of what else is there? What else could we be doing? Why why' that hit you a little bit? Just reminiscing. Uh it's there's just things that are hard, you know, and I think it's it's worthy of evaluating every now and then, you know, like what am I totally agree um what is the return on my investment? Is
the return on my investment, which which is partially an emotional investment. Um is the return enough? Is it there? Yeah. because that's that's just the way I think I think is is what is the return on on the on my time on my emotional capacity on my life you know um and if if it's worth it that I'm in I'm all in um but that was just the things that you know I you just go through things a lot of his relational things you know friendships that you know go by the wayside and um so uh we have a speaker coming this fall for the kingdom conference Ross Johnston and I saw a real of his this morning and it was really on the subject we're talking about
and it's it's a clip of a message he must have done recently and he's he's yelling he's like did you see it? It's like it was so uh I don't follow him. I don't know anything about him. I got to follow him. He's it's so good. And he's like listen I I've had Antifa storm the stage while I was preaching. I have three open lawsuits against me right now. I've had my own brother stop talking to me because of how I believe uh my conviction of Jesus. Yeah. And he's like, I've got all these things, you know, coming against me because of my belief in Jesus. And essentially, he's answering the question, is it is it worth it? And and it's when you think about the blood of Jesus, it doesn't just cover our sins. There's the resurrection power. This is like this is eternal
life. This is the resurrection power and life. Yeah. you know, and he's he's just preaching this message with such conviction. I I was just watching this, you know, 30 second one minute snippet. I'm like, and this is why he's the opening night of the Kingdom Conference. Uh because he we can relate to him. I mean, his testimony is being born of in vitro to two lesbian moms, you know, and raised in this household of of, you know, what we would articulate today as wokeness, you know, antichrist. What's his relationship with his mom's now? I I don't we're going to have to ask him. But this is his testimony wherever he goes. Yeah. He now lets the world know that I'm actually made in the image of God. I have been born again of Jesus Christ, born of the spirit, you know, and he shares this testimony. It's it's crazy when he publicly does this in schools, universities, on the streets. He does it
in the streets of LA all the time. I mean, trans people come forward and repent and turn of their life. I mean, it's really cool testimonies of people of all walks of life because it's the human story. Yeah. Doesn't matter who you are, what family you were born into, y'all need Jesus. Yeah. Amen to that. Everyone does. And so I just I I appreciate like the more you press in and it's like, well, no wonder this guy's been attacked and distractions and all these things are coming because it's not just Nehemiah, nor is it just Jesus. And we we look at the early church. The moment Pentecost happens, it's not like, well, there's smooth sailing for the church, right? It's like instantly there's going to be issues. There's persecution. There's the silencing. There's governments trying to dictate. Yeah.
Don't say this. You know, there's uh the religious trying to silence you, you know, and persecute you. Yeah. There's the uh the uh economics of it, you know, you know, I'm thinking of Philippi and um or Ephesus rather, excuse me, um with uh Artemis and you know, you're destroying our economy. You know, it's like uh when when the church is advancing, when when there's a movement of God, uh there will always be that hard Yeah. ship that comes with it, right? And uh whether it's sickness, as was the case with our staff last week, which let's let's talk about pursuit since we've mentioned it and like here we are all sick. Like I took off Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and and then some of the other staff took off the same amount
of time and we got pursuit coming into it. one person who was supposed to lead pursuit uh was sick and so she called out and tapped out and said, "I can't do it. I'm sick." And so you got these two people who have been just really under the weather leading worship for the night. And we had determined [laughter] that this particular night we would have extended worship before there was prayer. And we're like, of course, of all the nights to do more worship, everyone's just feeling But isn't that when God moves? Like really, isn't it in our weakness that his strength, you know, comes through? Amen. And so you uh went home right around noon that day cuz you're like, I'm just not feeling well. And I was like, you better go home because that's exactly what happened to me. It just it hit you. I mean, I was doing great Monday and then Monday night, yeah, boom, I got this fever and I was just
like, I don't feel well. And I was like, you you should stay home. And so you stayed home Thursday and didn't go to pursuit. I went to pursuit and I'm like, "Okay, I think I'm on the upside of this." And uh we're going to be okay. And it was it was powerful. And uh I mean uh Callie, you you did the rally and it was so cool because uh it was Cali is a lot like you, Kara. She's just articulate and um intelligent and quick, you know? We're like the same people. Yeah. I ramble for hours to try to say one point and you both in 30 seconds say the same same point, you know, like. So, she starts off just with this imagery of uh an olive already has the oil in it,
but you're not going to get that oil out of the olive unless there's crushing. So true. And so that's such a good word. So maybe some people coming in tonight are going through some crushing, not realizing that God is bringing something out of them. Amen. that can only come out through the crushing to encounter the oil and we'll talk about what the oil is in just a moment even though some may already know. So, like the rally prayer time was already started off there. And then, you know, I'm not feeling well. And I'm thinking, well, I could start off the night, but I I don't know. I think I'm going to pass it on. And as I thought about who am I going to ask, I immediately thought of Hannah. And so, I just said, Hannah, hey, will you do this? And she's like, "Sure." And 5 minutes later, she comes back to me. I was like, "No, never mind. I don't really want to do this. Uh, you just asked me. I didn't have time to prepare for this and I don't I [laughter] don't think I'm really good for this." And I just said, "Oh, actually,
no, I actually think that's when you need to do it when you're not prepared." And Hannah, this is a truth. Test test testify to this, right? Like I said, hey, 10 minutes beforehand, if you still don't want to do it, I will do it. I won't make you do it. I did give you an out. But I said, he does the same thing with me. Exact same thing. And you've tapped out before. I have, actually, but I didn't I didn't want to force you to do something, but I did want to make you uncomfortable. And then Hannah unrelated to uh Cali talks about the same thing. I mean obviously Hannah got to hear about it but you know Romans 5 talks about rejoicing in our sufferings which without understanding the crushing and the oil and and in God's movement there there is hardships.
You'll never understand Romans 5 which says we rejoice in our sufferings because suffering produces something. It produces perseverance. Perseverance produces character. character produces hope. And we actually get to experience that the Holy Spirit's being poured, his love is being poured into our hearts, that God's love is being poured into us. Yes. While we're suffering, oil. Oil. So Hannah just kicks off, you know, [snorts] pursuit night. Hey, there's communion. Listen, we're going to rejoice in our sufferings. That's when the oil comes out and pursuit night just starts. And I I it's started pretty um powerful with a song God of revival. You know, there are just certain ballads like that that are just kind of more emotional like just believing, you know, you're the God of the city. You know, it's like a prophetic cry. You break
addictions and you know, strongholds and it's like we're we're we're literally just telling God who he is. You're the God of revival. So it starts off with that and then next thing you know like we're just going into these powerful songs. Haley is leading us into even old school tags of like open the eyes of my heart and you know and I find myself at church I have a really hard time getting emotional during worship partly because it's our own house you know and I'm thinking about I've got the message coming up. I'm thinking about all the logistics I'm thinking about the sound. I'm thinking about the people that are there. It's really hard to like for me to like get in the emotional zone of of worship like to to just feel loved and encountered and all those kind of things. But I'll say when you're when you're sick
and when you're tired, it's a lot easier to be emotional. True, you know, and I was both those things at night. I was sick. I was tired. I knew you were homesick. And I just knew just moving pieces of what's going on right now. And I just worshiped with all my heart. I was just singing and and clapping and and other people were too. I mean, Callie was talking about she had bruises on her knees from getting on her knees on our concrete floor that night, you know, and it's like there there was just there was something really special about the worship that night. People were just in unity. There was chemistry. There was just a um a sense in the atmosphere. One might call it emotions, but it was further than emotions. There was there was there there was a sense of of of uh God's presence in the atmosphere.
And so I mean I'm weeping. I'm praying in the spirit. I'm just like, man, it was just a really uh powerful night, you know. And then Landon went and led the church in prayer. And he did a good job. It was just God- centered prayer of just uh really praying towards um whatever you're going through. You know, God's in it. God's in it. You know what? And then the the prayer team came forward and there was a laying on of hands and just testimonies after testimonies of what God's doing and and how the prayer team is um getting to witness God's faithfulness and his answer of prayer. Yeah. So by the time the night ended, I mean I I didn't even want it to end. I mean I just I just sensed a a beauty
that was found in the unity. It's what we have said probably hundreds of times at journey at least within staff leadership here. How good and pleasant it is when we dwell in unity. Psalm 133. It's like the anointing of oil. It it's like the refreshment of dew. It's it God commands a blessing when there's unity. And that's that's what we felt that night. And I will say I did intercede for you that night just in the sense of saying, you know, uh I I am claiming Yeah. healing in Jesus name. I am claiming, you know, um the blood of Jesus and the healing that comes from his wounds, you know. Yeah. And I don't think it's a coincidence that I didn't get it full full-fledged. So, I'm thankful for your intercession. Thank you.
Yeah. Absolutely. And I claim it over our family and it's uh just it's it's really those those moments are beautiful. Yeah. You know, we talk about the oil. Uh this Sunday I preached out of Zechariah 4 and the vision that Zechariah is given by an angel. Yeah. The Lord [snorts] and he sees, you know, this lamp with a bull on top of it and this these two olive trees and he's asked repeatedly, I mean really it's kind of it's a really curious thing that the Lord keeps asking Zachchariah, do do you know what this means? No. Do you know what this means? No. Do you know what this means? No. And I find encouragement in that that sometimes God is showing you something and you don't even know. I have no idea. It's like the question I started this podcast off like, you know, we were asking for revival. Did but did we know the cost? Yeah.
You know, and the short answer is probably no. Like, but if we knew the cost, would we still step into it? It's like I don't know. Well, that's the ultimate question, right? Right. I think it's like when you when we were wrestling with starting the church 16 years ago, I think I've not ever been through anything like this. I just intellectually knew Yeah. that it was going to be really, really, really, really hard. And I think we had a lot of um uh heated conversations about it cuz I'm like, we got three babies. I don't think we should do this. And you're like, we're doing this. And um but I'm thankful that you have that more of that personality that is a like take like let we're going to do this not necessarily thinking about the negative implications because if you think you can think yourself out of anything, right?
Um so well I appreciate that perspective and just for anybody that's that's listening at this point what your meaning is. We had many many fights uh we could call them we did because arguments conflicts and and really valid reasons that many people actually get divorced you know we could have easily said we have irreconcilable differences I mean cuz they were intense incompatible incompatible this isn't going to work you know I want this and I want this and we're not this and we're not working this and but I'll tell you that's a part of the success of [snorts] fulfilling God's calling on your life is not giving up when you don't feel like it. It's not like it was easy, but you know, we've had plenty of moments where we've had to reconcile. We've had to make up. We've had to forgive. We've had to break through those intimacies. And it's really there's a deeper intimacy. And I I've tried to share this at church at
different times. Like when you see the worst in somebody else, it's like the nakedness in, you know, Genesis 3 after the fall of man when Adam and Eve are completely, you know, naked and hiding themselves before God and God asked the question, who said that you were naked? Yeah. And of course, God eventually uses the sacrifice of an animal to clothe them with leather instead of leaves cuz it's just not sufficient. Where it's like there's a vulnerability where you're naked in front of another person. And I'm not speaking sexually here in the sense of you're vulnerable. You're um you know, you're showing your flaws. Yeah. You know, you're showing your wrinkles. You're you know, you're showing the places you you typically try to hide. Yeah. You know, that Genesis 3 moment of hiding. And when all of a sudden that's exposed of, oh no, you see the sin in me. It's horrible.
Yeah. And we've made it through some horrible times and I I know everyone else has those same moments. We're not alone. You know, that's what being a pastor is about is I can lead you. Yeah. Because I've been there. I've been there. I've been through the valley of the shadow of death. I Hey, by the way, I've been to the green grass. Lay down right here. You know, the shepherds brought me to the still waters. Yeah. Amen. He's anointed my head with oil and I want you too to be anointed. You know this whole imagery. So back to the vision of Zachchariah. He gets this vision and these these olive trees obviously produce olives. I mean you go to Israel which we're going in September. Hallelujah. To the Holy Land and olive trees are everywhere. It's actually really beautiful because being the Pacific Northwest, we're just not in a climate where we could ever have anything like that.
They're gorgeous trees. I mean, they're they're the trunks are really um naughty and twisty and just the whole this just a beautiful tree. And u I I didn't know this about olive trees, but in my studies, I didn't share this on Sunday, but olive trees are evergreens. Isn't that interesting? Mhm. And when I think of evergreens, I we're in the mountains here, so I think of huge towering trees. I think of pine needles. I think of but what one of the things that defines an evergreen is it it never loses its leaves. So come fall and winter uh an olive tree albe it looks like a non evergreen in my mind. And so I'm like wow that's kind of interesting. It it produces the fruit of an olive which it is a fruit and uh it doesn't lose its leaves. So you got
in this vision these two olive trees which produces olives. But in this vision supernaturally there's going to be this reproduction and continual flow of the olive oil. So no longer do people need to bring the pure oil to to to produce the light. God's going to provide it through these two olive trees. Now the question is asked by the end of the chapter. Who are these two olive trees? They represent it appears two witnesses. Yeah. uh or I shouldn't say uh appears it says they represent two witnesses really reminiscent of the same language we read in the book of revelation of two witnesses who prophesy on the streets of Jerusalem uh they're not the same witnesses at least in the account they might be the same representation but in this case I hate to give too early for those who are part of journey church but in this case God is telling Zachchariah uh God's going to use uh Joshua the high
priest and Zerubabel the governor uh representing kings and priests ultimately representing lo and behold who's the ultimate king who's the ultimate priest come on somebody it points to Jesus that the flow the continual flow of the Holy Spirit comes from the king of kings our great high priest the holy spirit we get this continual oil which to take this down and to make it personal application for our lives we are kings and priests revelation 1 tells us we are we are the kings and priests And uh the only way we're kings and priests is if we're anointed. Yeah. Is if we have that anointing. And so this imagery of the oil is very clear. It's the Holy Spirit. Yeah. That God wants us to function in anointing that is being set apart, not an average, not used for the world.
Set apart for God's purposes with his power to accomplish his work, you know, his will. Amen. Uh in our lives as it is in heaven. And I think what we're experiencing right now is just that anointing oil, you know, God using ordinary people to do supernatural revival, um, anointing experiences and it's exciting for me because I'm sensing a hunger like we've never had before. I think people have always been hungry, especially at journey. I think it's what has attracted them. But we've had so much attrition and so much transition and this this uh this migration. People come in, they're excited about what God's doing, then they either go to a new church or they move out of town or you know and that's for you know one reason or another. Our systems haven't been in place decide
whatever it could be the flesh or their own people. I don't know what it could be a million reasons. But I will say right now the hunger we're having of people are the is the type of hunger I would want in an army to see revival. Yeah. Uh that in our region like the you know even going into church in the park this summer I'm believing like we have the right people to call forth revival and to believe it. Amen. You know to believe that the lost are going to be found. Addiction addicted will be set free. Marriages will be restored. And I I just prophetically even the dead will come to life. Ezekiel's vision of a valley of dry bones. Amen. I speak it over this region. There are many spiritual people, religious people who are just they need a rattling. They need a calling forth of becoming an army.
Yes. And you're you're not really the army until God breathes on it. until there's life ruach until there's that the spirit of the living God inside of us. You can look alive but not be alive. You know was example I shared with you uh yesterday. You you you can have the substance. You can have a lamp. Yeah. But without the source, without the oil, that was so good. You you you don't produce light. Yeah. So you can look like one thing, but you're not actually producing what you're made to produce. Yeah. It's time for the church to produce revival. Amen to that. Let's go. lifegiving, transforming, repentant, bearing people that return to the Lord. Amen. Yes. And and I I think we're seeing that more than ever. Yeah. I had a long conversation with someone in the lobby yesterday who just she just she was somebody's long shot. Wow.
And got saved. I don't know, maybe a year or so ago, maybe longer. Um a long shot meaning she was far from God, not attending church. Yeah. Prayed for her and invited her to journey. Gets saved. her whole family ends up getting saved, including her daughter. Her daughter's now dating a really great Christian guy, and she just like the whole family's been transformed. Wow. And she just profusely thanked me for the church. Um, and that's I only just say that to say like that's that's transformation. And that's a that's fruit of um, you know, [clears throat] of of the mission of the church, of revival, disciples. It really is. We're making disciples of all the nations. Yeah. when you know that generations are being changed um and parents are weeping because their kids are have met the Lord and they've met the Lord and then their kids met the Lord and then their kids are dating people that know the Lord.
It's like this is generationally changing things. So that is truly what the church should be. I mean, it's it's not about a building or a program. Like, it really is about changed lives and and you know, so I'm I'm thankful to be a part of a church that is actually changing lives. Amen. And so, when we talk about the difference of where we've been as a church and where we are, I used to hear people all the time for years, even pre- pandemic, people would tell us, "There's rumblings of revival." Yeah. At Journey Church, God's doing something at Journey, there's rumblings of revival. Now, I think we're in the revival. I I I I don't think it's as full-blown as God's going to do. I think he's going to do more. But I do think we're getting glimpses of it because of what you just said. It's so multigenerational. Yeah.
I mean, yesterday you were told by our kids director that what what God's doing in our kids during the same church service. We have oil in our kids. We have oil in our youth. We have oil in the young adults. We have oil in adults. I love it when we have guys like Jim go up to the altar weeping and worshiping and he's got to be in his 70s, late 70s, maybe 80, I don't even know. I had a guy Thursday night come up to me in tears. He's like, I'm 75 and this is revival. He's like, I just want to give my life to this. He told me that at Pursuit Night and he's like, I just want to give my life to this. I mean, it's awesome. I mean, well, it's like a taste of what heaven's going to be like, I feel like. You know, like joy, peace, born for it. So good.
We're created for it. Amen. It's [snorts] kingdom. It's kingdom. Romans 14:17. It's righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit. It's not a matter of eating and drinking. It's not a matter of things. It's a matter of encountering a living God. I mean, I had a guy a week ago, yesterday, last Sunday, who was visiting. I I don't know if he's on vacation or what. It reminded me of like a Danny DeVito. Uh I mean, it's just like he was probably, you know, in his 50s, 60s, short. uh jewelry all in all of his all of his fingers. Uh well-dressed, you know, like kind of just remind me of a businessman, you know, and he comes up to me, he's like, "Hey, uh I'm visiting your church." I'm like, "Okay." And he's like, and his eyes swelled up with tears. And he's like, "My dad was best friends with John Wimber and Chuck Smith." And he says, "What I experienced today
is what I experienced as a child growing up in the Jesus movement, in this Jesus revolution." And he's like, "They'd come over to my house for dinner all the time." And he's like, "You guys have you have it here. You have revival here." He's telling me all this. I'm like, "Thank you." He's like, "I'm serious." And tears are streaming down his face. And he's he's from uh Washington. And it's actually he's from a very large church. It's not like a small church, a nothing church. But what he said was so complimentary because it's not like, "Hey, this is a lot like my church at home." I mean, no, he said, "I experienced something here. I encountered something here. what I encountered today is unique. That day, I mean, I met two young men who were coming for the first time and they were just like, "We've never experienced anything like this. This is nothing like our home church." I'm like, "Oh, okay." And then one of them looked at me, he's like, "Is this normal? [laughter]
Is it going to be like this next week, right?" And I saw that the same guy, I think, that asked the same question yesterday. Yeah. And he looks at me and he's like, "Hey, are you preaching today?" I'm [laughter] like, "Yes, I'm preaching today." He's like, "Oh, good, good, good." You know, it's his second time. I just I love love love what God is doing and how he's doing it and just getting to see that not just the oil but the thing about oil Kara is it it's a fuel you know and so like if if there's a fire and you take that oil and you pour it on the fire that fire only gets bigger. Yeah. So, like for can we talk about then for anyone who's um wants who who who wants to go after what you're talking about, right? Like what does it look like for us on a a private personal level to um
I don't know ask the Lord for more Holy Spirit to what what does this look like on a practical level level for people that genuinely want to Yeah. deepen their walk and deepen their life and like what comes to your mind are practical things that that you know we could encourage people with. Yeah. Well, I and initially think you mentioned prayer and I think it it all hinges on prayer. Yeah. So where there's the absence of prayer, you'll never experience the anointing power of the Holy Spirit. It God might surprise you. I shouldn't say never. Yeah, God might surprise you with an encounter in your car at a church service without prayer, but if if you're really wanting consistent anointing, if you're wanting consistent power of the Holy Spirit, if you're wanting to see a move of God, if you're wanting to see healings, miracles, the signs and wonders that we
read about in the scriptures, which never says it ceases in scriptures, God's been doing it every generation all over the world, not in the same places. Because if God's not welcome, Yeah. He'll move on. Absolutely. you know, I mean, he'll look for people who are hungry, who are surrendered, who uh are are wanting more and and that's why places like Africa uh all over Asia, uh certainly China right now, even in Iran, which is big in the news, God is moving through his church, the church of Jesus in places like Iran, because those who want it, God gives it to them. Yeah. So, uh it's it's prayer. And when I say prayer, it's it's a hungry prayer. I think of there's there's a um a clip from a terrible cartoon that I've never actually watched an episode, but I've seen the clip many many times. Uh y'all maybe could help me if you guys know
what it is. It's like a little baby that's actually in the form of a man and he goes to his mom and he's like, "Mom, mom, mom, mom, mommy." Stewie, what what cartoon is that? Family Guy. Thank you. There's a clip from Family Guy where uh the little baby is or well, I don't even know if he's a baby. grown man, a little thing, you know, in the form of a child is is coming before mom and mom's ignoring. She's busy doing whatever, reading a book or something. Mom, mom, mommy, mom, mom, mom, [laughter] mom, mom, mommy, mommy, mommy, mom, mom. And it's over and over and over. Every mom can relate to [laughter] that. And then uh finally she's like what? You know, and I think in some sense that is the persistence that Jesus tells us prayer should be like. So if you're going to ask for revival, it's not coming one time before God. It's not coming two times before God. It's not saying,
"Well, God, I really want this." Or even prophesying to other people. If you're going to say it, you better believe it. And you know, I've made some claims at Journey before that if I just say it one time and move on and I never say it again, there's no conviction. Nobody actually believes that I believe it. And so if we're ever going to build a team of unity, build a team of um that's that's uh going to be unified around a common mission, in this case the Greek commission to make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, teaching them all that the Lord has commanded. If if we're ever going to fulfill that, we've got to repeat it often. We've got to believe it's for all people. When Jesus said, "For God so loved the world," why aren't more Christians saying that? Why wouldn't we believe there'd be revival for a whole region, a state, a nation?
I love some of the songs we sing. I I still believe God can save a nation. I've got to believe it. I can't believe that the political division we've experienced in our lifetime is the end of the story for our nation. Amen. I've got to believe there's a unifying factor. Yeah. And it won't be partisanship. It won't be red or blue. It it won't be a political leader. It'll be it'll be a humbling of God's people on their knees. Yeah. Desiring God. And when that happens, so to me, the the the answer to your question, if someone wants it, they don't have it. Yeah. The first step is praying consistently often. And I mean like simple prayers. I'm talking childlike prayers of God, I want this. God, I need this. God, I want your Holy Spirit. God, I want your Holy Spirit. And if you feel like there's a
blockage there and you're not getting the power, you're not getting the anointing, the revelation as um Paul talks about the revelation of of of wisdom and and power. Uh if you're not getting that revelation in the um Hebrew word is kazone. If you're not it's it's the word in um Proverbs that without prophetic wisdom the peopleish uh are without restraint. Yeah. The King James version without vision y the people perish. That word vision is it means a revelation, a prophetic vision. And I would just say if you don't have it there, there's a high probability uh there's something blocking it. And I uh heard from Pastor Dave when he was here that when they are teaching people about baptism of the Holy Spirit,
someone who's believed in Jesus, they know they're forgiven of sins, they know they're going to go to heaven, but they haven't experienced the the fullness of God's power in their lives. There's something blocking it. He he says 99% of the time and he says it's probably a hundred but just 99% of the time when someone forgives when they're holding on to unforgiveness clogging the pipe it it when they truly confess it out loud and they forgive they're baptized in the Holy Spirit and he says there's the manifestation of the speaking in tongues he says like literally every single time and he correlates it to forgiveness he correlates it and this is you know I'm not giving a biblical ex Jesus of this. I'm giving a earthly example of what he's experienced at the father's
house when we were talking about deliverance and leading disciplehip and taking people from here to here, people who have been believers for a long time. So coming back to your question of someone who doesn't have it. So if you're praying, if you're prophesying it, you know, and and you're still feeling like it's like h I have nothing. I'm dry. I have no power. I'm not experiencing uh my spiritual gifts in action. You know, the the nine gifts we read in the New Testament. I don't think it's limited to the nine, you know, the gifts assessment we do. God empowers us with the ability, with hospitality, with generosity, with words of knowledge, with prophetic, with faith, you know, [snorts] healing, you know, like these are the gifts God gave his people. And if they're not operating it, we have to say, "What is it?" Now, I know it's not just unforgiveness.
Obviously, if you're in another um addiction or sin or stronghold, you will forfeit that power as well. Yeah. Because how can the Holy Spirit, you know, bless that which is um, you know, unwilling to surrender to him? Yeah. Uh, the Holy Spirit will give you grace today, will give you new mercies today, healing today. Uh, but you've got to in your free will want it. Yeah. Um, does that answer the question? Yeah. Super helpful. Okay. Yeah. I think when we're all hungry for it, we're all going to see it. [snorts] I don't think it's a program. I don't think it's a a marketing no ploy of hey guys, let's all do this. I mean, every year we come up with themes and, you know, we do really cool church merch like this and kingdom come and
Matthew 6:33 and it's not about uh the the outside. No, that just it's not on the inside. It can't it can't be without the source. Yes, [laughter] agreed. This is just a sweatshirt and until there's something inside of it, you know, and uh that's that's where I would just say like we we've got to want God's kingdom come. When I think about God's kingdom come and his will be done on earth as it in heaven, I don't think Christians have a clue how bold that prayer is. Yeah. That means there's more to what we've experienced there. There has to be. There has to be. Amen. If if he if Jesus taught us to pray Yes. on earth as it is in heaven. That's like we can't we can't wrap our minds around what that look. We don't know what heaven I mean we we kind of but we have no concept.
Yeah. Well, you think about this. I'm going to go someplace that man, this is interpretation of opinion, not biblical theology here. Uh Elijah, powerful move of God, meets God's people up on Mount Carmel, calls out the 500 priests of Baal. Yep. Makes fun of them. His leadership is amazing. I mean, if he calls down fire from heaven, God answers it. I think when you go to Mount Carmel and you start to envision this, I'm like, am I even saved? Because I don't know if I believe I would call fire from heaven. But he does. Yeah. Fire. And fire comes. And by the way, that's revival. It's just believing. It's saying it. It's not explanation. If you have to explain it, it's no longer revival.
Fire comes down, consumes the altar, sucks up every little drop of water. He kills the priest of Baal. If we stop the story there, it'd be like, "Ah, I don't know if I'll ever be an Elijah." Well, what does he do next? He ends up in the wildernesses. He ends up in the wilderness depressed because of the of Jezebel. That demonic spirit of Jezebel is still alive today. She's a spirit of control, uh, manipulation, fear, condemnation. The the spirit of Jezebel makes you want to run. It makes you want to flee. Even when you have power and anointing, you have authority on high. There's something in you that says, "I don't know. I'm discouraged. I'm exhausted and I want to sleep." Yep. That's So, how does that tie into what we're talking about? The kingdom as it is in heaven.
Elijah's awakened and at his head, God gave him a cake, right? I joked about this a week ago. I said, I believe it's a chocolate cake. Yeah. But in all reality, God made a cake. Do you not think that if God made the cake, it's probably the best freaking cake any human has ever had before? Okay. I mean, I'm talking about better than buttery, sugary, everything we've imagined in scripture. If God made it, it's got to be good. Yes. And God gave him in his depression, in his exhaustion, in his loneliness and isolation, he said, "Arise and eat." Elijah could have been like, "I don't have anything, Lord. I'm all I came all the way out here underneath this broom tree without food." And God's like, "Guess what?" Yeah.
I gave it to you as it is in heaven. There's good food in heaven. M it's enjoyable in heaven. There are pleasures in heaven. God gave us the senses not so that we would sin. He gave us the senses to let us know in heaven there will be pleasures. It will smell good. It will taste good. There won't be anything bad in heaven. No expiration dates in heaven. [laughter] You know, there there's no good fats, bad fats in heaven. You know, there there it's all good. Yeah. You know, and I just think that we think too small of God's kingdom come and his will to be done on earth as it is in heaven. Let's have some fun, you know. Let's enjoy what God's given us. Yeah, I totally agree. I I agree. But we will have moments like Elijah. Everybody will have moments of like, "Oh, wo is me. I'm so I maybe I should just Is it worth it?" It's like, "Bro, you're freaking Elijah.
Eat some cake. Get up and go, bro." You know, but it it does feel lonely sometimes. And I I just I'm grateful that God's word is real and he gives us real examples of real people just like that. Yeah. I pray the spirit of Jezebel would die today just as she did in Amen to that in in his day that you know she'd be uh thrown overboard. She'd be um overtaken by some young people that are willing to do hard things. Yeah. Uh and I just I think in the day in which we're living in, there's so many demonic spirits that are discouraging. We need some people to rise up and get rid of those those dangerous and and uh demonic spirits uh which still exist today. But we've got authority. We've got power. And when we come when we're doing God-sized things, we're going to see them come up against and discourage, come up against and try to defeat us.
But but let me just testify out loud. They ain't going to win. We we got all authority and power in Jesus name. I I appreciate your outlook. I think you've talked me off the ledge a lot of times. [laughter] I can't even count how many in our marriage. Girl, it's God's word and it's uh it's not something I I've manifested or it's not something that I produced. It's it's God's word in us. And I'm so grateful for you for sticking with me cuz uh I'm not the hero of the story cuz I've uh nakedly done some many, many, many, many dumb things. And so I'm thankful for God's grace that meets us in the anointing of the Holy Spirit uh in marriage, in our lives individually, uh wherever we are. So wherever the listener is today, whether they're singleness or married or wealth or poverty,
yeah, he will meet you right there. But you got to ask for more. Ephesians 3:20 will never get old. You know, Ephesians 3 uh 19, uh the fullness of God. Do you want the fullness of God? Ask for it. Oh man, we have to ask for it. Ask for it. I mean, Paul prayed it for the church in Ephesus. We should be praying it for our church today. How about the church in America? Rise up and say, "Wake up, America. Wake up, church." You know, and see the oil. See the potential of what God wants to do. He's not done yet. Amen. Uh I mean, he's not even close. I'm I'm just ecstatic about what what's about to take place. Okay. It It's going to be good in every way. Amen. Amen. All right. What's the prophetic word, Carrie, as we close today? Call it out. [laughter] Wow, that's a lot of pressure.
No, no, no pressure. Just what what's God going to do? Uh over Central Oregon, the state of Oregon, America, uh the nations of the world, call out a prophetic. Well, what are you praying for him to do? Wait, no. I asked you the question. [laughter] Uh you can't answer the question with the question. Why not? Uh no, I'll affirm you. I mean, I I mean, this last um episode we had a few weeks ago, I remember I I laid a steak in the ground, but I can't remember what the stake was. Um just I I just remember we we closed the episode. Well, we've had some pretty clear prophetic words. Yeah. The Niagara Falls River of God's glory. That's what it was. Thank you. That that was my prophetic call last time. Was there would be such an outpouring of revival in this little tiny state. Can anything good come out of organ? I think
of Nazareth where Jesus came from. Could anything good come out of this place? People don't even know how to say our name in other parts of the country or gone, you know, like they don't even know. But the very name of organ as we talked about last episode which is comes from that uh that indigenous or Native American uh name uh the Shosonyi named it uh after the river of the west from the Columbia River which goes all the way to the ocean and and rivers of revival are coming out of the state into Washington and into California. There's going to be a movement of God that's already taking place. We've seen it. We've been seeing it for the last 2 years. Everywhere we go, we're like, "God's doing something in our city." And then you hear the same story like, "Oh, he's doing it in Los Angeles. He's doing it in the Bay Area. He's doing it in Seattle." You know, it's like, "Okay,
he's actually God is he's moving up and down the West Coast, the West Coast." Yes. So, I mean, my my prophecy last time was for rivers of revival, especially as we head towards Church in the Park, meet us at the river, that we're believing over our city. Yeah. what Jesus says in Matthew, not Matthew, excuse me, John chapter 7, out of our hearts will flow rivers of living water for those who believe in him, the Holy Spirit's going to flow like a river. Yeah, [snorts] I would say um I was I was telling you yesterday, um I I really feel like the Lord just like totally shifted me yesterday. Um and it started in the prayer and rally before we do church. Yeah. And [snorts] those are really those are really powerful for me because it's before the day gets started and and it's just setting your heart right with the Lord.
It really does align your heart, you know. Yeah. So, we do prayer and worship um at 8:00, you know, before the service. And so, I I just have been like really wrestling with the Lord over a lot of things. And I I he just like totally I feel like just gave gave me peace. And it was just essentially the the word that I felt like he gave me was you need to unlearn everything that you think you know about what church would look like. That's a good word. And then release it and just let let me move, you know? And I would say that over that would be my prophetic cry or call over us, over this region is cuz I think about when you think about your kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven. We have to unlearn anything that we think church should look like.
um so that he can actually we can actually allow his kingdom to come. Cuz if it's us stopping us, it's like you started and ended your message yesterday. What's stopping us? It's us. It's you. [laughter] It's not God, right? So if I'm prohibiting a lack of resources, that type of movement because I think it should look like this, I have to unlearn that and I have to release it and let it go. Amen. So I think it's a it's a releasing of what we think Mhm. church should look like, whether that be programs or whatever. It it doesn't matter. Um, I I think it's it's I think that's where that's where we need to start. Yeah. See, I knew you had it in you, Kara. I just needed to to prophesy it. That's that's what we got to do. So, I think that's a great way for us to pray today. Uh, for us to unlearn everything we've experienced and say, God, what do you got for us for the future? Yeah.
He's a God of hope. Jesus is our living hope. And hope is always ahead of us. It's not behind us. Our best days are not behind us. Our best days are right in front of us. Jesus said in Matthew 6:34 that we shouldn't worry about tomorrow. Let's just let's focus on today. Let's focus on being filled with the oil today. Whatever God has for us, let's go to that place. So, uh Lord, I thank you for this time today that we get to just testify to your goodness at the time in which we live. And we want to believe in greater things than even our minds would allow us to go. That God, you can bring revival in our nation. We declare that over America. And we ask for your blessing and your favor for Holy Spirit that there would be a spirit of repentance upon your church in our days that God it would happen in the state of Oregon that we would see a mighty move of God not division not anger but we would get to see your kingdom
righteousness peace and joy in the Holy Spirit operated in its fullness. May your church wake up and see Lord may we fulfill your plan your mission that you've called us to. Jesus, you're the head of your church. And so we give you all authority right now to move mightily. Holy Spirit, we pray that you would move like the rushing wind just as you described, Lord Jesus, that that the spirit is like the wind. And we say, take us, Lord, wherever you want us to go. May you break down every wall of preconceived notion of what we thought revival would be. And we say, Lord, let your kingdom come and let your will be done. I declare out loud in the region we live in, central Oregon shall be saved. God, would you do the unexpected? We prophesy over every person that looks as lost as can be. Over every pagan that's worshiping Satan. Over every witch. Over every person that's so
addicted right now to something that's so far from you. We declare a releasing from every demonic stronghold. And we say in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth who came in the flesh, Yeshua Hamashiach, Jesus Christ our Messiah. Would you move so mightily that we get to hear of people coming to faith because of dreams, because of visions, because of the boldness of Christians who are willing to prophesy, pray, lay hands on the sick. We say, "God, may there be a mighty move. I'm praying that there would be such a move that Wiccan would not be a thing anymore. Tarot cards would not be a thing anymore. Every uh psychic shop would shut down. every pot shop could not exist anymore because people are turning from from their their their their numbness and the strongholds that they've turned against
you, the idols that they've made of this world and they would run to you, God. Heal their minds, heal their hearts, heal their bodies. Oh God, I'm asking for a mighty move. Let us unlearn what we thought you would do, but let us go to your word, God, and see that what you've done before, we're believing you're going to do it again in Jesus' name. We're believing, God, for a mighty move. We're believing that you're still using your church and you're not done yet. So we look up because our redemption is near. Jesus, you're coming soon. And we say, "Come, Lord Jesus." The spirit and the bride say, "Come." And so we just join with who you are and what you're doing. And we say, God, would you help us to be faithful? We're praying for a mighty move of revival, but we're asking, Holy Spirit, that you would be the one that does the work. That you, God, would get all the glory. So we thank you once again for this time today. And we say for all of our family, for all of our friends that do not know you, we say Lord, let them come to faith
in you soon. May we be strong and courageous. May we love like you, Jesus. And uh we just I just pray that the testimonies will come flooding in from what you're doing in Jesus name. Amen. And amen. Amen. Amen. Well, friends, hey, thanks for joining us on Confessions of a Pastor. If you got a testimony, would you testify? Let us know. You could DM us, email us. Come on, do whatever it takes. Even write us a snail mail. We just want to hear from you. Thanks for joining us today. See you next time on Confessions of a Pastor.
