One-Star Reviews and Encounters with God: Pastors Keith and Brandon on Revival

This is Confessions of a Pastor, a relentlessly real peak behind the scenes of Journey [music] Church in Bend, Oregon. From church in a strip club to a strip mall, going where Jesus would go to reach people Jesus would reach. This is the good, the bad, and the ugly. All for the glory of God. A journey of misery and miracles. We are your hosts and the founders of Journey Church in Bend. I'm Pastor Keith. And I'm Pastor Kara. [music] Come on. There really is hope for everyone. Hey, it's Confessions of a Pastor. This is our time to just confess our deepest, darkest, good, bad, ugly, indifferent, our dreams of dreams. Come on. This is all for the glory of God, though. No matter what we do, that's what we want [clears throat] to do is we want this to be the edify room, the er. Hey, I'm I'm here with my my friend, my my co-host today. Come on, somebody. Come on, man.

Pastor Brandon Richardson. Everyone, I'm just here to confess that I'm born again. Hey. Hey. filled with the Holy Ghost ruling and reigning in heavenly places. Hey, let's have some church up. Can you have a bad day right from the start? Can you have a bad day? Oh, I'm going to Okay, if we're confessing, I will confess. I have my own pity parties all the time. I I have bad days, but I tell you, thankfully, I don't stay in them too long. That's it. Because that's when you got to learn to preach to yourself. Like Psalm 42. Say it. Why are you downcast on myself? So, I do have bad days, but this is what this preacher does. Yeah. you preach to yourself and but if you're but here's so if you do that though is it still a bad day redeemed it's been oh come on well that's that's the truth uh that's that's a really good word so hey everybody that's been confessions of a

pastor we hope you enjoyed the nugget you can't have a bad day come on with Jesus I mean you can but you can't perspective though that's all that's all it is yeah let's we're human beings we're we're going to have days it's just a constant reminder. We have to remind ourselves, oh my gosh, like I'm loaded down with all of these kingdom blessings and benefits. It's perspective. I think that's one of the greatest tools of the devil is to make you think you have to have a bad day. No doubt. So, let somebody disrupt the grace of God where now you're carrying offense or you have a wrong identity or whatever the case might be. I'll I'll start right off today, Pastor Brandon. We had an incredible day yesterday. Uh the theme was revival. It was getting our hearts ready for uh

Kingdom Conference, which I don't even know if conference the right name for anymore. We just keep calling it that. It's more like revival days. It's awakening. We just keep calling it the same thing. But I'll tell you what the devil tried to do to destroy the day. Like it was a dope day and I think we could talk about some stories cuz there was cool stories that came out of it. But literally after the second service, we're wrapping up things. you know, you're you're saying, you know, hellos and meeting people for the first time and all that typical stuff on Sunday, right? And I look at my phone, it's like I I I have it on do not disturb all day. I took it off, do not disturb, and beep, I get this buzz, and what do I see? One-star review on Google. Oh, man. That's how I ended my day. Don't you know that that's what the devil was trying to do is make it a a good day, a bad day. Right. Right.

And you know what's real funny about this one star review? I actually this kind of one star review is actually kind of fun because it's like there was no like theological or pastor Keith is or anything. It was this is literally what the comment hit me with it commentator said. It's like this church could not choose a worse location. That was that was the that was the one synopsis. That was the synopsis of the review. That's incredible. Yeah. So, I don't know if they came to church and they couldn't find parking or if they were trying to go to Ashley's to play some lottery next door at the lottery store or if they were trying to go to Goodwill to go get Sunday. So, like they brought they came in like at at during the second service, you know. So, why I you know, if they would have done whatever it took to get in the building, every Sunday is incredible at our church.

But, but you showed you showed a video that was just all about revival history, these moves of God. Yes. And I was weeping through that thing and I looked around and I saw people weeping, hands in the air like, "Come on, do it right here, Jesus." So that I just feel sorry for that person. Whoever you are, if you're watching, come back next Sunday. Like that's I [clears throat] think her name's Sarah. Sarah, we bless you. Sarah, we love you. We so love you and bless you and come encounter come encounter God Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Well, I was thinking about Journey Church and you know, there have been moments and I'll even confess this sin as I confess that I've had some bad days. Man, I didn't want to be in this location. You know, we sold our building over on Newport Avenue, uh, downtown. I love that location. I mean, it was dope.

We were right on the river. Had little mountain views from the top story was two levels. We bought the building. We were downtown. We could walk to any coffee shop. You could walk on the river trail anytime. I'd actually go for runs after work, slip on running shoes, just run on the trails. It's like, how perfect is this? Then we sold the building. The pandemic hit and we needed to find new location. Where do you find a place in Bend that can suit parking, that can suit kids ministry and a place for worship and we couldn't find any place, but then where we're located, there was a church that shut down during the pandemic. I didn't want this place. I complained to God. I was like, "Lord, I don't want to be in an old strip mall next to Goodwill. Like, woe is me. Lord, I don't like this location." But I'll tell you, fast forward 5 years from when we moved into this spot and we were the reunification

site for Silver Rail on October 15th, which was by God's grace. And the only reason why was because of proximity and our size of the building, the design of the building, [clears throat] everything God did. So, I look back at my whimpering and whining and of course over the years like it's it's like you just said, the Holy Ghost will convict you and I've already repented of this. So, even though I'm confessing this now, I've actually been through the process of repentance to the Lord. You know that God knows what he's doing. Then when we don't like something, it might be for another reason later. Like, I need you in this space. I need you in this place. And I love where we're at right now. You know, I love that there's nothing polished about what we do. When I say polished, I mean like trying to look like we're in the Bible belt. We're not

in the Bible belt. We're in the heart of right central Oregon. But it's undeniable. Yeah. It's undeniable that when you walk into our building, you're going to encounter the presence of God and you're going to find people who love you. There's an authenticity to who we are. Yeah. And to me, that's a common thread. People say it's right in us as I felt the presence of God. experience something different. And and we're in a place to where people right now can just stumble in. Come on. You can you can be rolling over to Goodwill. You can be uh rolling over to the Nike outlet and there's a good chance there's a fire Yeah. burning at 9 and 11:00 right across the street. I love the goodness of God, the promise of God to put us here. Amen. For for this season.

Well, I was thinking when I was reading the review like, okay, if you were shopping that day, it's like, okay, we're at church. We fill up the parking lot one day a week. Yeah. And then I started thinking about this week. Oops. Except this week. Okay. Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. There's going to be no parking for a while. You know, like uh I'm believing I mean I I I really like what you said about a movement cuz you know originally when we had this vision for Kingdom Conference is like our theme this year is kingdom come. And this this picture of we've been to you know you and I probably over the years uh the last several decades have been to a number of conferences. you typically buy a ticket, you go get equipped, inspired, you know, it's you get all the feeloods and uh it's like, hey, what if we put on our own conference and then of course leading up to present

day, I think God has shifted this from this is not about tickets. You know, we we cancelled the uh cost of this event, we even told all those who purchased tickets, if you want a refund, you can have it. I think this week maybe we've had eight people ask for refunds which is just tells you the vision behind this thing. Like people are like, "Hey, use that [clears throat] money towards a donation." Uh there's a movement coming this week. Come on. And [clears throat] I I felt it yesterday. People seem to be uh hungry. They were ready to receive it. Listen, man. God falls on hunger 10 out of 10 times. And can I tell you what I love? I don't have to have my theology perfect. We don't have to have it all figured out. Amen. But God and in the video that we watched, it was that the common theme throughout history has been hungry people contending for an outpouring of the Holy Spirit.

And so I'm I'm convinced we're going to experience something that's going to be significant this week for us, for our house, for our families, for our children. Come on, somebody. Let's go. Uh let's let's talk about that video because I stole the video from the father's house. Uh actually, we saw it at a conference. We did. Shout out to Pastor Dave. Yes, Pastor Dave Patterson at the father's house and we saw it at a conference, but it was like over 8 minutes, right? I reached out to them and I said, "Hey, can we uh can we have or use uh borrow that video and I didn't remember it was so long and I got it. I was like, "Oh man, this is pretty long." Like, and I was like, "I don't know if I want to show an 8minute video." I threw it in AI and said, "Could you make this 2 or 3 minutes?" And it did. It was like 2 minutes and 38 seconds. I was like, "AI is crazy." It edited it all for me. It was so good. That's

and it kept such strong content of sharing a few nuggets of at least the last 130 years of uh glimpses of revival history starting with Evan Roberts right of the Welsh revival 25year-old just simply praying a prayer Lord 100,000 souls you know and pastor Dave in the video said and God answered that prayer and then William Seymour which he didn't even reference this, but an African-American at a time where they couldn't even vote who's just in a prayer meeting with what seven people or something like that and and and dude can barely see. Man, lightning came in the room and then it just expanded and grew with the authority. The Pentecostal movement was

really birthed in Southern California, the most unlikely of places. Can I tell you what I love about it? Even as you're talking about I I feel the anointing and what's significant about when we begin to talk about what the Holy Spirit has done, the Holy Spirit endorses those convers. He shows up because it's almost like he's jealous to remind us, hey, that's me. Amen. Man didn't manufacture that. That's why I love going back and talking and revisiting what God has done because it stirs this hunger because God shows up and just reminds us this is possible for y'all. Wow. This is possible. And you're stirring my heart so much because what I love about this too and and that video really described this and it's not the video just history describes this is that God uses the most unorthodox people because he's

just looking and ready and willing to use those who are wanting to be used. You don't have to have all the credentials in the world. You don't have to have all the the greatest health in the world. You don't have to have uh the the the uh the what I'm thinking birth when you come from a great family pedigree. That's the word I was looking for. You don't have to come from the right family. You could change. You could be a first generation Christian. I mean I think of George Whitefield. The guy had a bumi. He was born in a non-Christian family. Was going to be an actor. Yeah. And gets introduced to Jesus by the Wesley brothers and now becomes one of the greatest preachers. Come on. Ever. you know, and comes to America because he's really kicked out of England for preaching the gospel. And it's like of all the people God would

use, you know, a oneeyed, [laughter] right? You know, the least likely, the most likely, the opening verse of that video was Habakkuk 3:2. You know, you think about this book Habach where this guy's like wrestling with God like, "How long? How long? Like, are you going to let these things happen?" I think we could probably say that in our day. God, how long are you going to let this darkness, this this, you know, this evil like, you know, in our in the land that we live in, America? It's great, but man, we we're doing some bad things right now from, you know, abortion to messing up genders to, you know, all the stuff like how long how long this is what Habach says, chapter 3:2, and this is what it opens with. Oh Lord, I have heard the report of you and your work, O Lord, do I fear. In the midst of the

years, revive it. In the midst of the years, make it known. In wrath, remember mercy. And that that's how the whole thing started. It just God's word is so good. You know, this to set the trajectory of why do we want revival that we're not trying to manufacture something. We don't want hype. We want God's promise. We want him. We We want what Habach the prophet wanted. We We want the work of the Lord. And when you see that, you fear the Lord. Yeah, God revives it. He makes it known. He He brings mercy when we deserved wrath. It's like this is revival. It's It's so good. And just to have that trajectory of God did it in Wales. Like where's Wales? We're not talking the most powerful country,

you know? He did it with uh William Seymour in Los Angeles. Uh he did it with uh Chuck Smith and Lonnie Frisbee. you know, uh he he started these movements y through men and women. I mean, I even think of the most weird people like just always shakes my head when I think of someone like Aimee Semple McPherson, right? You know, who out of her life came a denomination. That's right. And you know, whether that denomination aligns with what she originally like that movement of God that was kind of on her life, she was an odd person. Her story was odd. Yet she was hungry. Y and people showed up in groves. Come on. And I, you know, theologically, I I like what you just said, like even if we don't have it all figured out, like I'm not sure that woman had it all figured out.

No, none of us ever do. You know, the people that showed up wanted whatever she had. I mean, before we even started the podcast, you had mentioned Kathryn Kuhlman, right? You know, and it's like she's a generation that's um after Amy Simple McFersonson, and we have preaching of hers. Yeah. You know, and she too was odd, right? You know, when I say odd, I just mean like the eloquence of man, you know. Eccentric. Isn't it funny though? Like when there's life, Yeah. if someone's a friend of the spirit of God, if there's life, man, we're so quick to look past all of our oddities in all the things. If there's life. Yeah. Amen. And right now, I think we're in an era where we're just trying to be cool and relevant and there's no life and nobody nobody cares.

But I'd rather be a little odd, bro. I' I'd rather have a little tism or something. You know what I'm saying? But have the life of God [clears throat] on on my words and in my house, my family, and my children. Come on, man. Brother, I think that's so true. In the in the generations that we've experienced church in America, that is particularly [clears throat] in America. I'm not speaking of continents like uh Africa or Asia or um oppressed nations that that that the church has thrived over our generation. But in America, the cool, sexy, uh creative, you know, church has thrived and we have seen an exposure in the last decade of yes, hidden sin, right?

Of uh mass corruption. I mean, we're we're we're seeing the Holy Spirit has revealed to us that if it's not pure, it will it will always be exposed, right? And that point of being a friend of the ghost of of really being a friend of God, come on. Glorifying Jesus, one with the father and and walking under the authority of the Holy Spirit. That lasts. Come on. Because it's God. And I think that's those are those moments of revival that we look back and say what marks a generation that's you know it's not cool it's not sexy like okay technology and hype and uh creativity all those things they they could have their place

but at the end of the day the things that last is something that marks you. That's it. And my the my challenge is always if nobody ever knows my name because we talk about being used by God which [clears throat] is important. We're we're called to partner with the Holy Spirit. Come on. But if if I was never used, that's so good. Would I would I just cry out and contend for his presence just because I can't get enough? Wow. And that's that's where my heart just begins to come alive and burn in a fresh tangible way. I feel I I almost feel like the glory of the Lord as we're talking about this right now. Amen. The presence of God. If if if he never used us, if we just sat out in the middle of nowhere bendorggan Yeah. and were friends with the Holy Spirit. Wow.

Enjoyed the life of God. My kids prospered. My wife prospered. It would be enough because he is enough. In his presence, there's fullness of joy. This union that we have with him. There's life nowhere else. I' I've been able to see the best that man can do and it's not enough. Amen. We have to have him. Amen. And if that's our heart, the crazy thing is, we end up getting to partner with him and do the stuff. You get me so excited because I think what you just described is is prophetically what I'm longing, yearning, and desiring for Kingdom Conference. Yes. And you know, I've got a little bit of, you know, I want to use the word fear, but it's not the right word. It's not like the fear of God. It's not like a fear like being afraid, but I've got a concern.

Sure. cuz I've been around long enough that I will get excited about something. I'll work hard at something. I'll desire something and then it comes and goes and it's like ah dang. Like it wasn't the move I was hoping. It wasn't the encounter I was hoping. And so it's like as we're leading into this week, you know, like I'm holding this open-handed that if it's not what I expect, God is still God. He's still good and he's still going to do it. And maybe the seeds that I I didn't see that are going to come a year from now, 5 years from now, 10 years, even if I don't know it, get credit for it, see it, experience it. God's still doing something. But to hold it open-handed, but still, I do think God gives us prophetic and dreams to look forward to what he can do. Yes. And I want a marking in our community.

Yes. Not even in our church, but in our region where where something is forever changed because of the presence of God. That's it. Uh there there's a verse I was going to look at that I shared this weekend and I can't even remember where it was. Um it might have been Oh, yeah. It it is uh Acts 3. Thank you, Lord, for leading me to the right place. Acts 3:19 when Peter is preaching after the lame man is walking and he's pointing people to Jesus and he says repent therefore and turn back that your sins may be blotted out that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord. That phrase just struck me in preaching because we've had that prophesied over this house. Yes. That revival will come to this house times of refreshing. Y I can't remember I think it was Pastor Dave in June that talked about redigging

up wells in our region. He did like in the days of Jacob where the wells of Abraham had been blocked up by the enemy, you know, the and the Moabites or all the itites, they came and all these wells that father Abraham prospered in this land. Yes. as he went forth, even going through the promised land, not knowing it was the promised land, you know, bringing favor wherever he goes, digging wells, overcoming enemies, taking the spoils. And then the enemy comes and blocks up all these wells. And this prophetic word was given to this house of refreshment, refreshment and revival, wellsp springs or something, you know. And I I just think about that phrase, times of refreshing may

come from the presence of the Lord. Is there that's what I think we all long for. That's it. In such an anxious culture, uh depressed culture, uh misaligned identity, broken marriages, the most anxious young generation ever before because of these devices we've given every kid. Right? This is what everyone needs. That's that's it. Everyone needs this. That's it. And I can I can promise you, we're going to experience that realm of breakthrough in the presence of God because our only agenda is him. It's to minister to him. It's almost like Oed Edom, you know, Oed Edom just house the ark. There was no agenda. It's just like sure it can like it. By accident, too. It was like they didn't know what to do with this thing.

Like let's give it to this guy, right? And favor and blessing comes with it. He's just housing. He's not trying to pimp the ark. He's not trying like it's just it's in his house. And I'm telling you, if we just have a heart like Oita, we just going to steward this thing, we're just there's favor. And for us, we know the breakthrough is his presence. And we honor his presence. I know you and I share the same sentiment. May for me, it's about my kids. It's about the generational synergy. It's not about me. It's not about It's about our children and our children's children having these encounters with the spirit of God because we're just saying, "Wow, we just we just want to host the ark. All of our lives were impacted as young people and it set the trajectory. Here we are not so young anymore and we've got kids the age that we were impacted.

Uh you were 18. Tell us that story when you uh were marked either for the first time or that that you know it's it's a part of your story. I was just in a in a church in Sacramento in 2004 in worship. Was it a church service? A conference church service. Okay. It was a church service. People start talking about like church services aren't important. We going to do this at home. I'm like stop it. Wow. Stop. Do do your thing at home. But the the local church ecclesia is so vital. Don't neglect. Come on, somebody. Gathering and the meeting. Amen. That's it. And so, yeah, I was I was in the back of a of a church, a college and career service is actually what it was. And the presence of God fell on me. It was so strong. I remember nobody laying hands on me. Wow. No altar call. Do you remember the song?

I can't remember the song. I That would that would be incredible cuz it I just remember the presence. I think it was Give me Jesus. [laughter] Give me Give me Jesus. No man, that song that song wasn't a bop in 2004. But I'll tell you, uh, in a moment begin to pray in other tongues, you know, nobody laying hands on me, nobody telling me say raata, you know what I'm saying? Like do and it was just genuine and and weeping running out into my car. Come on. for 4 hours just weeping and it was the strongest manifest presence of God I've ever felt to this day. Wow. And again, my theology was jacked at that point. Come on. Like I But listen, that moment Yeah. changed the trajectory of my life. I would not be here having this conversation with you today. Wow.

Had I not known in a moment, okay, God is who he says he is. I've just create I've just encountered the unccreated ineffable God of the universe. So now I know Wow. in an era when people are deconstructing. Yeah. I'm I'm solid. I'm solid because I think it was Raven. It may it may have been somebody else. I think it was Ravenhill who said a man with an experience is never subject to a man with an argument. And so now it's not about words. It's not about babble. It's it's about I know that I know. And by the way, my experience is rooted in scripture. And so now for me, having kids, my God, I want them to have that moment, that encounter where they they're going to know for the rest of their life.

He is who he says he is. That's so like I just want to like scream and shake the church sometimes that we're not supposed to be divided. We're not supposed to like all the division we have in the church. And there's so much so much division in the church. But you know, I I come from a world that was more conservative than the church that didn't long for encounters and experiences with God. And now from the outside where I have encountered God. Yes. And I I yearn for more glory like Moses did. Show us your glory. I don't want to go unless your presence is there. What we just read in Acts 2. And I believe in the fullness of what we read in the New Testament, the gifts of God and the power of God. I believe kingdom if I was to describe it is three things. Healing sickness, deliverance of demons, and the preaching the good news. It's what Jesus did.

I think it could be summarized, but the church doesn't practice that today. I'm talking about capital C, right? And I do think there's such an argument in so many churches and I, you know, I don't know if it's good to name names or not, but I just like uh the the John MacArthur theology, right, that argues and says, you know, the Pentecostal charismatic world is strange, the strange fire book and theology, you know, which is argumentative, right, against longing or wanting experiences of God, right? It's it's sad to me because number one, there either hasn't been an encounter of God and there's all this knowledge, all this credentials, all this doctrine which is deep and I'm not even saying it's bad. It's could be good, but a lack of experiential joy of being touched by God.

No doubt. You know, I think about like when the woman touched the fringe of Jesus garment and he said, "Who touched me? Power came out of me." Power. Like, yeah, that is strange. Yeah, but it's power. This is a ministry of the spirit into I agree with you in that right now if you get on YouTube, you get on social media right now this gospel it's a sooulish message. Everything is analytical. Everything is it's this is what I believe this we're espousing words that do not carry the life of God. Wow. And everything is argumentative. Yeah. And and and ultimately though, Jesus said, "The words that I speak to you, bro, are spirit." Yeah. In their life.

And ultimately, this gospel that you and I have been entrusted with. It's a ministry of the spirit. Yeah. And I think you actually quoted TL Osborne who said, [clears throat] "No, the gospel is it's preaching, it's healing, and it's deliverance." I would didn't even know I was quoting. and and the reality one of the revival preachers of what the 50s or so 60s or 4050s or voice of healing movement. Yeah. Totally. And and right now I think it's imperative for us to lean into 2 Corinthians 13:14 where Paul says, "May the friendship of the Holy Spirit be with you all." And so I don't care what you believe. If if the life of God if there's a dichotomy between what you're living and experiencing and what you're espousing, something's off. And let's be clear, the the theology has to be strong. It's Christ crucified,

resurrected from the grave. I mean, the triune perfection of who God is, one God in three persons. But now we also have to see the manifestations of what is belief in this God is what how does that doctrine put into practical places? I will tell you a quick story I heard this week. One of my favorite people who's still living right now is RT Kendall. He's 91 years old, written 60 books, on fire [snorts] for Jesus at 91. Mind is still sharp as attack. Still married to his wife, married over over 70 years. Has been doing ministry over 70 years. You think about that like to be alive and do ministry 70 years. and he calls himself a uh reformed charismatic

because he came from the reformed world but he really did have encounters and experiences himself and he's famous because he was the lead pastor of Westminster Chapel in England and he was the first American he was an American pastor there for 30 years so I'm giving the backstory for the listener and RT Kendall was describing a story this week of his friend that did not believe in the gifts of the spirit um the phrase is cessationist. And there's a lot of people that that's the realm of argumentation of, you know, we don't believe this. We believe it ceased with the canonization of scripture. We don't operate in the gifts anymore. Which is sad because you lose authority, power, signs, wonders, miracles, healings, all that. You've lost all that. That's right. So RT Kendall's explaining, I've got this friend who's a cessationist, yet we're really close friends, and we

talk theology all the time. And um he saw my encounter. He saw those things, respected them, but said he didn't believe in them until he says his daughter got cancer and was given days to live and invited someone who believed in the gifts to pray over her even though he said he didn't believe in it. And they, this person did, prayed over his daughter [clears throat] and she was healed. Come on. And so from that day forward, [laughter] he's like, although I didn't believe it, I can't deny it. You know, and I it was just a cool story and I hope I'm telling that accurately. I just watched an interview with him and the Beveres recently and uh they were talking about his most recent book and uh I was just

like, you know, uh you don't believe it until you need it or you want it or you experience it. That's right. And you know, at Journey Church, I I'll tell you just a part of my story cuz not unlike you, I was a teenager when I really was marked by God. Uh what was different is I was not marked with the Holy Spirit in the same way you were. I actually didn't I didn't know at all about tongues or the gifts or anything cuz I was saved in what's called a fundamentalist church. Uh it was a fundamentalist Bible church. And uh fundamentalists are cessationists. They are very very conservative in every realm of scripture. Very conservative theology in every bit. But so I got saved in youth group at a conservative fundamentalist church. But my youth pastor did really

cool stuff with us. And one of the things he did is he took us to a conference in LA. It was called DCLA and it existed for quite a while. They did one in Washington DC and one in LA. And they filled these stadiums with teenagers and brought in bands. It's like when the news boys just started. I remember the first year news boys came out. I was at that conference. Oh, the first year. I remember it. And uh I remember hearing uh Josh McDow. Uh I don't know. People may not even know who he is cuz his son now is known. I don't don't remember his son's What's his son's name? You know, I don't know. I don't know. His son's his son's the guy that's known now. But yeah, Mcdow. Um could you look up his son's name, Cali? I'm just I it's blanking on me because uh I know his son is the book writer and speaker now, but okay. Josh McDow, he

was an apologist that spoke at this conference. Sean McDowell is a son now. And and uh I just remember hearing the speaker and he was speaking to all these teenagers and it was impactful. I would dare to say inspiring, but it was more than that cuz it marked me and I just knew I want to do that. Come on. And so that that was like an affirming of calling in my life. Now, fast forward. It took me 20 plus years to eventually encounter more than 20 years. Woo! 30 years. Took me a long time to eventually experience the Holy Spirit. It took us, and we shared it uh too many times on this podcast, but it took us a burnout to really get to a place of what are we doing and why for my wife and I, that we had to understand spiritual warfare, right? and to understand spiritual warfare is to understand the authority

of the Holy Spirit over all other spirits. And that really started this trajectory for us of like, oh, there's more than we've experienced in our lives. You know what I love about that though is the Holy Spirit marks you. Yeah. You see somebody. Yeah. And the spirit of God, the inner witness goes, "This is what you're called to." And he's faithful over decades to continue to shepherd you into your calling. We we have this like microwave theology right now to where if God's not doing what I feel like he's called me to do and I'm not seeing the fullness of it, we get disappointed. But people ought to be encouraged hearing that story of this is this is the moment. But I'm still growing in the very prophetic assignment that God has placed upon my life. He's called you. He's faithful to complete that thing.

That that's the journey. That's it. It's not an arrival until we're with God in glory. We're getting closer and from glory to glory to glory. You keep getting higher and realize there's more of God. There's more that we've experienced. I [clears throat] want more. And that marking is is one level. It's it's all right. I can look back and I can say there was an Ebenezer moment where there were stones that were placed and I could say, man, I passed through the river and that moment marked me. I I'm in the promised land. Say it. But now I still got battles to fight. I've still got territory to take and you know there's there's still a journey but we can look back and both of us we were teenagers which I think about this week how many teenagers could be marked you know how many teenagers might be called how many teenagers and just to think

about like one sermon can change everything and like you not remembering the song that hit you and yet the it was the Holy Spirit that really hit you during the church service Right? I don't remember the sermon subject that I remember the speaker. I remember the place. You know, when I was really marked for, you know, hey, you're called into this. I think about this week, there will be some people, they're not going to remember the sermon, the song, but they're going to remember at Journey Church in November of 2026. That's it. There was a a stake in the ground. And let that be true. Let that be said of this generation. Amen. Lord, send me. Amen. I'm going wherever you call me. This is revival right there is when we want to be the new Jesus generation.

And even what you were talking about the gifts and being what I love about us. Yeah. Is that we we don't major on the gifts. We believe in the gifts. We major on him. His presence and in his presence is everything. It's the prophetic. It's healing. It's it's all the stuff. But that's what I love. And that's why I have such an expectation. We like this whole book. We come on. We don't take one chapter. That's that's it. We like the whole thing. That's it. [clears throat] from Genesis 1 to Revelation 22. That's it. We want the whole thing. Uh but we don't want to deny as as Carol would say, we don't want to do theological gymnastics and jump over the stuff that we don't feel comfortable with or might be a little strange. Well, yeah, it is strange. Yep. When the ghost comes and the sound of a rushing wind with tongues of fire and the utterance of different languages.

Yeah, that is strange. But just get up and preach the gospel. Christ crucified, risen from the grave. So, you know, and that that was that sermon, you know, that that uh Peter was preaching in Acts 3. I think about this like he essentially is just saying like I he's actually said what like Jesus said on the night he was um actually no that wasn't Jesus. I'm thinking of Paul uh to the Corinthians. Um I'm passing on to you what was given to me when he's passing on communion. But uh Peter was essentially saying silver and gold I have not, but what I have I give to you in the name of Jesus. Get up and walk. Yeah. I just think like just give what you have. Christ crucified. What I know is there's authority in Jesus name. And that's more than enough. Come on. And that's more than enough. I said since this is confessions, pastor, I'll confess my morning uh conversation with my wife. We wake up, we have our coffee,

and then we ask each other, "How'd you sleep?" Yeah. And then we ask each other every morning, "Do you have any dreams?" You know, did the spirit of God speak to you last night? And she had a dream that this week there was this today that that there was okay, how did she say it? This there was going to be um uh many new births and that God was going to give birth to many. And she specifically said prophetic encounters, okay, mantels. Wow. Young people encountering God. This So this is this is us at 5:45 drinking our our dark roast. Okay. Right here in in Bend, Oregon. But she specifically had this dream to where this was going to be a a week of birthing, birthing, birthing. And so I believe it's new birth. I believe it's people encountering God.

I believe it's people receiving their their prophetic assignment. Yo, this is what you're called to do. And so I have a real expectation even now talking about this and this coming to my mind that that Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday is going to be super significant for the young people of this church. But listen, whether you're 18 or 81, there's there's going to be something that God deposits in the hearts of people. And so I just felt like, man, I'm supposed to share that just to get our hopes up. Yeah. Well, just to have faith in what God's going to do. I like when I hear these things to like uh dissect and try to understand like what what is God saying? What does that mean? And uh we always test prophetic words and test the spirits. And so when you're saying this, Brandon, and and to to process this through in real time, all right, if there's going

to be a birthing this week, right, and how long is the birthing process for an adult? Typically nine months, right? When was the kingdom conference? Uh, when was the idea conceived? I think if I was to like process this out loud and actually look back at timelines, I think it was 9 months ago it was conceived. Wow. And because the kingdom theme for this year was started at the end of 2025. We said, "What's our vision for this year? Kingdom come." And then, of course, we started preaching this messages. And I I I just knew like we got to do something this year. And it required planning. Well, when are we going to do it? Well, let's throw it on the calendar. November. And if I was to really look back, I'm trying to like while you're saying these things, I'm looking back. It's probably nine months

ago. And yet, we're planning something quite frankly, it's it reminds me of a pregnancy. Yeah. You don't know what's coming. That's right. You know what? You know that something's there. That there's life. You just don't know what the life's going to look like until it's born. That's it. And we started planning this thing and you know we've spent a lot of time and energy on this like yeah you know looking at marketing you branding this thing trying to promote it trying to get people to to you cast the vision to buy tickets and they're buying tickets and you know doing all these different things and some people were critical of that like oh the church just wants your money it's like no actually we got to pay for this thing you know it's like you know all that tension over the last say 9 months and then Kara woke up the night that the silver rail shootings happened and it it just

the middle of the night and she thought to herself, "Wow, God in his providence allowed us to plan this particular event cuz I we keep calling it conference cuz that's what it was supposed to be." But she just thought maybe this was for more than what we thought. Yeah. We thought maybe let's put on a conference like we've experienced or whatever the case might be. And it was from that point forward, I think it was the next Sunday, we just said, "Guys, we're not going to charge for this anymore." Yeah. this can be available to anyone. And I think there's been this reshifting that what was conceived at 9 months ago was actually just, you know, growing pregnant with this idea that God's like, I'm just getting ready for new uh new. There's going to

be new salvations. There's going to be new markings. There's going to be new authority. Yeah. There's going to be new worship moments of from glory to glory. There's going to be so many different and what's funny is just like the different speakers that are coming in. I just feel like it's kind of the way we started this conversation. Like we invited people that said yes because we've invited like really cool sexy speakers in the past, but they've said no because our auditorium is not big enough. uh our name of our city and state's not known enough and we're notworked well enough to even though we've tried to tell people we'll pay whatever your speaker fee is. We just want you to come speak into us. And we had a lot of people say no. But the ones coming, let's go.

They're the misfits, you know, [laughter] the rag tag. Let's just see what God will say to this generation. And I [snorts] I think there's going to be a voice. And I I just bring back the 9 months to say, you know, I'm going to stand in agreement that we're going to have some new births this week. And I pray that uh it is our generation of our kids, um even our spiritual kids in this church, our staff. Uh that it wouldn't just be an event we put on, but there would be a moment that we can look back and be like, man, we're not going to be the same. Come on. Uh who who knows us that's so thank you for sharing that that word. Did you have any dreams, too? Uh, I don't think I Well, first of all, I don't dream like my wife dream. I've had some significant dreams over the years, but um the Bills play tonight,

you know, I'm a diehard Bills fan, so maybe I had a dream about the And you know what I love? I just think this is so good and so important because I think um how are the Bills doing? Uh I mean, they have a strong offense, but their defense is the it's the big question. Are they winning games? That's They're six and one. They're first place, so they're doing great. Yeah. So to anybody who who who thinks you can't be in love with the Holy Ghost and enjoy sports, man, you can watch a football game or a basketball game or whatever your thing is and pray in the spirit. My kids actually watch me do this cuz I'll turn the volume down. I'll sit there and they'll watch me pray in the spirit as I'm watching a football game. Funny. God God wants you to bring him into our recreation. See, I I do the same thing with MMA with the UFC. I I I don't watch football. Uh, but there'll be times that

my wife will hear me laughing or yelling and usually like in the spirit or something similar and she's like, "What's going on?" And it's just like this excitement like when there's like a really good fight on, it's probably the same intensity of you watching a game. And I think to myself, the discipline of watching these athletes and the intensity of that moment, I feel it in the spirit of in the natural realm, what I'm watching with this sport, right, is the spiritual realm. We have to be disciplined. we have to fight. There's an intensity of like, man, it looks like the enem is winning, but um there's a comeback moment, you know, like there is these same things where I think I know what you're saying because I feel the same way when I when I watch cuz UFC is about the only sport I I watch. You know, you're a big UFC fan. I do like that about you, bro. Yeah.

Yeah. But I am a Raider fan. If I have to pick a team and my Raiders Always next year. Always next year. But you know, we say that every year [laughter] for decades. That's true. You know, I'm almost 50 and we've been [clears throat] saying it for five decades. Uh but actually, I've been really proud of them this year. Uh did they win yesterday? No, because the Ners, they lost the Ners, but they're better than everybody thought that they were going to be. They lost to the Ner. They did lose to the Ner. Yeah, the Niners are good though. They're kind of a wagon this year. Yeah. Yeah. But we're not as bad as we Let's just say this. We're not the Chargers. No. We need to pray for Justin Herbert and the and the Chargers. Yeah. They're have they're going through it. They're walking through the valley of Justin. He's an organ duck. So, there's there's a real affinity for Justin here in Yeah. Sometimes I pretend like I know what I'm talking about, but I just like see glimpses of what's out there.

I I got on a tangent asking you about the Bills. We talking about dreams and dream. Yeah. The moral of the story, I asked you if you had any dreams last night, too. Right. [laughter] Right. And you said you don't dream like your wife dreams. Like Holly dreams. Right. Right. My wife dreams dreams, too. like uh and not she had that word though too about dreams coming to her. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And she she's had some real specific ones. I think she's almost denied it where like I've been trying to do the same thing that you and Holly do where I'll ask Kara in the mornings. I'll you know, hey, do you have any dreams? Yeah. I try to make it a frequent habit. You have any dreams? You know, cuz uh it is interesting when you're really in tune with the spirit. God will use everything. Oh, no doubt. He still uses dreams just like he did with Jacob. That's right. But he'll use the natural realm. I mean, he'll use lessons in life. I mean, Jesus used parables, right?

You know, people want to go deep in theology sometimes. Well, Jesus used the ordinary everyday life to say, "Hey, pay attention to the birds." That's it. Hey, look at the seed. It's got to die before it grows and some seed doesn't go in, it snap. You know, like he uses everyday life. And we have to be in tune with the spirit, too. Like God doesn't waste anything. What's he trying to teach us? Amen. Where does he want to take us? That's right. And that kind of comes back to the whole conversation you started with. There are no bad days. Come on. The the difference between a leader and everybody else's perspective. Yeah. And our job as leaders and everybody watching or listening, you're a leader. It's it's for us to have that kingdom perspective. Come on. Of it doesn't matter what's going on within my exterior world. It can't affect my interior one. Yeah.

And you say it all the time. We We have to be our greatest coach. We have to be the prophet over o over our own life by continually reminding us who we are and then our wives and our and our and our babies and but if we do that well man then there are no bad days. Might be hard moments. You're the you're your greatest preacher because wherever you go there you go. Yes. You can't bring a preachers with you everywhere but you can learn to preach God's word to yourself. You can learn to speak truth to yourself. Y yesterday we had a theme. It was it was put on my heart to preach revival coming into this week because I didn't want us to wait right for a special event, right, for us to be stirred. And so we tried

something different yesterday. Uh I was a little nervous about it. In fact, I I present the the idea on a day you were sick. I was actually surrounded by women in the service meeting. I'm like, "Where's Brandon? [laughter] I need I need my boy here." I was surrounded by these women and I was like uh and they're elite elite women and I just like guys I have an idea you know and my I think my wife said something like oh no what is it you know I'm like oh great now I'm nervous to share it you know I was like what if we did the worship after the message uh as to respond to God's word because so many times and you know this because you are an elite worship leader uh the and this is just biblical theology is worship ship ushers in the presence of God. Yeah.

And we see that with David, a man after God's own heart, that worship actually can calm confused spirits. It can uh you know, inhabits the praises of his people. You know, like worship is just it's amazing. And you know, we do worship and then we do the sermon and then people leave so many times unless we do a ministry moment with a song or something. And my heart's desire was is that the word would stir and then we would usher in the presence of God, you know, and we had a really unique service yesterday. I was nervous. I wasn't even sure uh what to think of the service. And then thankfully you and Kara spoke to me afterwards and I just really felt edified and built up. It was incredible. Uh and I think we saw some moments coming out of that where I think God is moving and stirring in our church. And I

think there's some moments like that and I want to just talk through with you while we're here and it's fresh. It was yesterday. We've got Kingdom Con coming this week. Uh what is God doing right now? How is he doing it? What stands out from you yesterday? What was a moment that you would just say here's how we know? Here's how we could solidify we know God's working in his church in our day. What would I mean one I love that you did you you eventually threw out the playbook and you're like, "Hey, this is the play we've been running. We're going to do something completely different." And I didn't see one person, listen, there was not one person getting up going to the back. Let's let's just be honest for a second. Confessions of a pastor church. How how many people are getting up during a message, go get some coffee. You know what I'm saying?

Go get some donuts. It's like service, right? Where I go out and people were fixated. Oh, that's good to see. Because it was it was so different. Yeah. But then I can also tell you of meeting with a young man on Monday who was in a season of just real brokenness and personal crisis. Invited him to church. He had never been before. Never been here before. I told him to sit with me. He sits with me in the front row. And here we are talking first time. Yeah. And you're talking about revival and you completely shifted the church service and he's listen he's weeping. From the moment worship starts, he's weeping during this revival segment. He's weeping during your message and he brought a he brought a friend and both of those brothers when you gave an altra call.

I saw that. Yeah. Hands up. Let's go. Lives changed. So you can't you can't tell me and this is you say it all the time cuz if you don't know Pastor Keith, he's about taking risks, dreaming dreams. Yeah, you just have to know that regardless of what you think it's going to look like, you're led by the spirit. That's why whatever the table that the Holy Spirit ends up, you know, setting that particular morning, it's going to be good because we honor his presence. Going back to Obedom, the arcs up in the house and we honor him. And that's the fruit. That's the fruit. Lives being changed forever. Amen. And it wasn't it wasn't this cute polished Let's make everybody feel safe.

Come on, bro. We're talking about the spirit of God and revival and an outpouring and these these two men giving their lives to Jesus. So, that that was that was just a snapshot of many things that took place. I appreciate that. That's a powerful moment. The the message was just really simple that revival starts here. It's it's it's not praying just for the city to get saved. It's what am I doing to experience it? just three points. Search me, change me, send me. And it's so incredible that someone coming for the first time can have an encounter that they don't have to wait months or years to know enough. They can respond to the message of the gospel, which is the good news of Jesus Christ by the power. It's really the person of the Holy Spirit.

It's not the preacher. It's not a sage on the stage. It's it's God that does it. That's so cool. I mean, I I love that. There's a few moments for me that stick out uh yesterday. One of them is in my intro. I was just talking about the vision of revival for our city, you know, people getting saved, sickness, you know, disappearing, uh people being delivered, you know, and then I just mentioned like families being restored. I was like, I know because I'm a living testimony, you know, like I didn't grow up in church. I didn't grow up with an earthly father, but because of Jesus, Yeah. I've got a family. Come on. I love my kids, you know. And uh second service, my son was there visiting from college this week and you know, my wife was telling me like when I said that, I said, "I love my kids." I didn't hear this, but I had one person text me this and then my wife told me about it last

night. My son responded back, "I love you, Pops. Come on." You know, and it's like there's no greater joy than that, you know, than to be like, I have a right relationship with my kids. And I know it's not something I've done. I could have perpetuated abandonment issues. I could have perpetuated addictions. I could have perpetuated pride. I think my earthly dad had a lot of pride. He went through women. He was very vain, you know, narcissistic and all those kind of things. I could have perpetuated certain problems. But by the grace of God, the Holy Spirit exposes those areas that grieve God, corrects it, and then now I have a a great relationship with my heavenly father, you know, by the power of the Holy Ghost. I'm being sanctified, you know, and I just uh for me that was meaningful. And then I just I meet people every Sunday. You know, they want

to talk to whoever's, you know, preaching. You've experienced this. You know, people want to talk to you. You've touched their lives or whatever. And met some new people. And one guy I met just this is a quirky interesting story. I've I'll see you in 6 months when we come on a pod again and say what God do with this story. This guy comes up and introduces himself. His name's Christian. So there's prophetic name there. Uh I don't know Paul, was it Paul Bunan or who wrote that book? uh uh Pilgrim's Progress, you know, and the the character is Christian, you know, that goes on this journey. Um this guy's name is Christian. He's like, "It's my first time here." He's like, "I'm from Montana and uh I got a word from the Lord, go to Oregon, and the only word that God told me was revival." And he's like, he told me he came out here, I don't remember if it was weeks or months ago, and he started traveling all these

different cities. He's like, "God, why do you have me coming to Oregon?" And he's he's a rough guy. He's uh I'll tell you part of his story, but he was going to like homeless shelters in these different places like um Portland, Medford, Atoria, Eugene, and he said the most recent has been and he felt like God was telling him this is this is where I was telling you to come. And then he looks at a map and he's like, "Oh, I'm right in the middle of Oregon." And he says his first time at Journey and what is the message? Revival. And that's the word that God gave him in Montana. And so I'm like getting to know this guy's story and he's just telling me more and more of a story and I'm I'm asking him about his faith story. He got to know the Lord in prison. There was a ministry from Fresh Life Church in Montana in the prisons in Montana.

He was at a prison called Deer Lodge. Okay. We happened to have a Journey Church campus at Deer Ridge. Ridge. Yeah. And we're talking about these things and he's like, you know, and he he got all these Christian tattoos all over his face. I mean, look like um Oh, what's that? That rapper with tattoos all over his face, but there's a lot of rappers [laughter] with tattoos. I wasn't thinking jelly roll, but yeah, like he just got tattoos all over his face. He's got three sevens over one eye. He's got he's got Yeshua and Hebrew over another eye. And he's just tattoos all over with piercings and and he's telling me he was in prison for three years as a believer. He he ran a Christian ministry for 3 years after he got saved and he got out and because of his look and everything, churches have a hard time with him, but he's like he [clears throat] just feels like he's

supposed to be in organ for revival and he doesn't know why. He doesn't know what this assignment is and all these kind of things. And he just tell me a story. He's like, "But I just I want to reach youth. I want to tell people what if God could do with me, he could do with you." You know, all these kind of things. And I just look and it's like, man, I love our church. Like it's it's like the Jesus ministry. If you look at who Jesus hung out with and the the women that would break the alabaster jars of, you know, ointment and be criticized for it or the the lepers that Jesus would uh touch or you know that you just look at the unorthodoxy of Jesus ministry, there are times I just shake my head at journey and be like, man, we got the most diversely [clears throat] rich church. No doubt. But then when you preach revival, it hits all spheres of life.

That's right. whether you've been in prison or whether you come to church for the first time. And I I know it's just hitting. I mean, even like the pictures that were put up there yesterday, there was a picture of uh one of our staff on his knees with this guy with his arm around him and uh straight up looked like Steve Prefontaine from the 1970s, you know. Did you see that with the big old mustache? And I I was like I asked Kyle's like, "Who this?" You know, like who's this guy with his arm around you? And his response was like, "Well, you said to say hi to a stranger and make a friend, you know, during the greeting time of the service, right? I mean, which we don't really do that, but we did it Sunday." And he's like, "I just met this guy." And we were just like, we connected. And then I got down on my knees to pray during the song, and he said he jumped over his seat, knelt down next to him, and just put his

arm around him and prayed with him. And I'm like, "This is so cool." Like, so dope. What's h what's happening right now? What is God doing right now? I just I don't even know outside of he's doing it and let's let's be in it. Come on. I I would exhort if people have made it with us this far into this pod [laughter] in invite if it's one thing to invite somebody to church. It's [snorts] another thing to ask them to come sit with you at church. And and that's what happened to me Sunday. You know, I asked these guys to come sit with me. So, they're up in the front row. But I just want to exort all of our listeners, those that are watching right now. Invite somebody to come sit with you, whether you're here Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. That's good.

You can't listen to this and not feel the expectation. We'll call it faith for what's coming. And if we have faith for what's what God's going to do for us through us, come on. Have faith that God's going to touch the person that you've been praying for thinking about inviting to church. I don't know about you, I think this would be a great time to take a leap and break through the anxiety and be like, "Hey, you know what? I go to this church journey and it's Thursday, actually, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. How about you show up and sit next to me?" Bro, there's a a family in our church. They're probably listening to this podcast cuz I think he listens when they come out, okay? and he sits in the same spot with his wife every single Sunday and they invite people to church all the time. He tells me the coolest stories. He and his wife, they just got the greatest story. And I bet you a dozen people have gotten saved because of this one couple. And they sit in the same spot every week, but it's near the back

of the room. And like last Sunday, I saw him. We made eye contact and I waved to him, you know, and usually comes gives me a hug, but and I text him. I'm like, "Bro, you got to leave the back of the room and come to the front. The anointing's in the front." So, and he didn't really write me back. And then this week, he's like, "You know, my wife and I talked about that text message." I'm like, I didn't actually mean it. It's like it wasn't a correction, a rebuke or reproof or anything. I was just joking. He's like, "We're going to try it this week. We're going to try this." And so, this weekend, he they didn't do it yesterday, but so this coming week, he he promised, "Okay, Ken, I'm talking to you." Ken said he and Robin are going to come to the front and they're going to sit in the front. And, you know, they always said they had their reasons. He likes to watch the drums and everything. But I tell you, uh it's it's nice to switch it up once in a while if you come regularly, which you should. Yeah.

And you should invite somebody to sit with you. Let's go. So, my friends, as we get ready, I don't know when you're going to be listening to this. Maybe it's before Kingdom Conference, maybe it's after. I hope it's before. Me, too. I hope you'll join us because there is a move of God happening at Journey Church in Bend, Oregon. We're believing for the glory of God to be like Niagara Falls. Coming out of this place, spilling, overflowing out of this city. Yes. Out of this region, into our state, into Washington, into California, that God is doing something. And we're not content with just a few. We're asking for the nations. Yes. So, this has been a great conversation. Pastor Brandon, thank you for joining me today. I believe this was an edifying conversation. I feel sharpened. And as you said, if someone made it this far,

uh, I believe they were sharpened as well. I want to just close us in prayer and believe God's best. And I'm going to go so far as to pray not only for encounters for our kids, but for every person that's listening that God will mark them for life. So Lord, we bring this before you now asking for more, more, more, more. That Lord, that you would uh send forth your spirit in such a way that marks us uh eternally. that God, we can look back in a moment in our lives to say, "God, you took us from glory to glory, that you did more." And I'm specifically praying for the listener today that when they show up for Kingdom Conference, when they show up to church, maybe they don't even live in Bend, Oregon, maybe wherever they go in their church service they go to, that you would speak to them, that you would encounter them, that you would mark them. Maybe that's a healing and setting them free from some sickness. Maybe that's a a a movement of a spiritual gift you've put in them, a word of

knowledge, tongues, whatever it is. God, I pray that your church would rise up for such a time as this. That we would receive the revival that is possible because of who you are, God. Not anything we could do, but being a part of who you are. So, we welcome your presence and your power in your church. You said you would build your church. And we proclaim right now that the gates of hell shall not prevail. And so, we take the keys of your kingdom when we say, God, would you do great things this week? Would you move mightily through your church? May every hearer just long for more of you. May they be hungry. May they seek you. May they ask of you, God, to do greater things. We prophesy that over our children and our children's children that God, you will touch them with the power of the Holy Ghost. That you will touch them and you will show them the experiences of what you're able to do. And I pray that we would be an Elijah generation calling forth fire

that God, you are able. And I pray for a spirit of repentance. I pray for healing upon our land. Yes. And I pray that God you get the glory and all these things for your fame, Jesus. Because of who you are and what you've done for us. In your name, I ask these things. Amen. And amen and amen. Well, hey friends, thanks for joining us today. If you enjoyed this podcast, go leave us a fivestar review on Google instead of a one-star review. God bless you. We will see you next time.